RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
May 28, 2021 at 1:47 pm
(This post was last modified: May 28, 2021 at 1:54 pm by Drich.)
(May 27, 2021 at 1:30 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: [quote='Drich' pid='2040092' dateline='1622134179']
we do not even accept all the books they do as some can not be sourced outside of the church.
Your own books are by anonymous writers. [/quote] that's not true. it is true of the vulgate/latin bible but not of the kine greek. John identifies himself as does luke mat and mark. paul goes on to write 2/3 of the new testament, and the remaining 1/3 are also identified. that is one of the reasons the books of the holy bible omit books of the vulgate authorship and pravaunaunce is important.
Quote:Why would they be any more authoritative than those of the RC church?because smart guy there were no 'known writers' in a society with a 4% literacy rate. learn to compare apples to apples rather than take your society's standards and value it has on the written word and try and apply it to a society who did not trust the written word nor the few who translated it. 2000+ years ago a man's word was all he was it was his bond/ability to make a living. people put far more trust in hearing what a trusted man said over that of something that a man said another man heard interpreted written down perhaps in one language, given to another man in another language had him read man 2 version or dialect of a second language, translate this second language for himself make adjustment for region and dialect, and then hope and pray he did not have a bias while he read this message out loud. That's why God gave his words to no bodies, as they were trusted men first then made famous by his words.
[/quote aside from authorship and pravaunaunce, the books content is a map to find God. if you follow the book you will be literally sat before god. the vulgate isa book that gives the church and it's leadership power. follow the book be subservient to the church.
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I just don't understand why people believe that an all-powerful God would put the only chronicle of His actions on Earth in the hands of unknown writers,
Quote: who write with the same style and mythological background as other writers of the time.that's another lie of ignorance. As christianity was completely counter cultural to what the jews wanted or expected. remember the whole of jerusalem was being occupied by Rome. the jews and their teacher and prophets were all looking for a warrior to take on rome and free them from roman rule. this savior thy were looking for was fortold and was called the messiah. a warrior priest from the tribe of david. what they god was hippy/live and let live/turn the other cheek jesus who says don't fight against the government and pay your taxes which the jews hated and ultimately killed him for. So no, nothing jesus taught was like any other religion at that time.
Quote: And then, some future group of people "decide" which are the "real" chronicles of God, and which aren't, and then expect everyone else to worship the cobbled together bible.again the bible is a map. people follow it and literally in this life time find God. that is why people follow this bible. and before you lie and say other people of other religions do the same... there is a problem with that. in that according to their holy books they being regular people can't. even in the RC church God does not speak to people one on one. only the pope can have an audience with God. Muslims and jews are the same but only a high prophet or priest have direct access to God. so if anyone from another religion says their religion sat them before God they are claiming to be a prophet by their own religious standards. Only the Holy Bible and the God of the holy bible grant you an audience with God.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGdO54_onsw&t=19s
(May 27, 2021 at 5:55 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: [quote='Drich' pid='2040092' dateline='1622134179']
sorry sport no. we have the much earlier works/written record of the greeks.
Another fantasy. Everything in new magic book was written and compiled between the first and fourth centuries ad. You have no "earlier written works"....by anyone - because there were no christians. It was, as a point of historical fact no matter how much shame you have for your religions catholic roots, the rcc that produced the myths that protestants still, to this day, believe. Ungrateful bunch of pricks, if you ask me.
Just imagine if paul hadn't realized he could make a killing if he focused on the audience with the cash to spare? You'd be here babbling about the great god mars or some other such horseshit.
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the vulgate that is being used (and changed currently in the RC church) was compiled in the 16th century.... by your own admission the koine greek bible which our 'protestant bibles' are a direct contextual translation of are from those 1st to 3rd translations yu mentioned. so yeah that 1300 years older than the current addition of the vulgate.