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Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
Quote:It matters some. I'll accept that the attachment to the mother is relevant, but I don't think that's the whole story. If a fetus at 8-1/2 months could be delivered viable, that is different than one that isn't. And the fact of her complicity in affairs matters some, too.
No amount of humanity or viability can override her right to her own body

Quote:So... 2) no rights, is the answer?
Nope as I said whether or not it has rights is irrelevant. No right entitles it to live in her body against her will 


Quote:If the baby were taken out of womb at 24 weeks (alive & well), the Virginia governor/doctor believes (he's on record and apparently unopposed) it's ok to leave it 
"on the table, and let nature take it's course." After consulting w/ mom of course...no mention of dad. 
Even if that's true it's Irrelevant to the subject of abortion (and many argue his words have been taken out of context )


Quote:Meaning...the placenta is also removed along w/ the fetus/baby and the cord won't be cut. The baby/fetus would eventually run out of air and suffocate. 
Less painful than being removed piece by piece, but same end result.
Even if that's true it's Irrelevant to the subject of abortion (and many argue his words have been taken out of context )



Quote:So, what's different than taking a life of any child, by anyone? A thin wall of tissue, and a choice?
No, the difference is the concept of bodily autonomy and the right of a person to it and the fact to one has the right to someone else's body or the right to live there.



Quote:Can we extend that "choice" to the "born" child? I mean, if a child is "living off you" materially, that can also be an "inconvenience & liability". Qui?
"....leave it in it's room, and let nature take it's course" ...so to speak. You see where this is going...and it's ugly!
This is a poor argument as again raising children is not equivalent to them living inside you. So this sad attempt at an argument from emotion fails.



Quote:You see, there is no difference.... except, the law can protect what is "deemed" born. So, mom's are the judge. Not science. Not law. Not fathers.
Yes, there is one is about bodily autonomy and the right not to be used by someone else. And yes she is the judge and thank goodness for that 




Quote:And that is the ultimate Truth.
You have no truths
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims - by The Architect Of Fate - June 4, 2021 at 12:09 pm

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