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Raising the minimum wage won't help
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RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
(June 9, 2021 at 1:24 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:
(June 9, 2021 at 1:02 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Why shouldn’t someone be able to live off of full time work that only took them “16 hours” to learn? How is that relevant? If they show up on time every day and do the job that is required of them for 8-10 hours a day, 5-6 days a week, why don’t they deserve to be able to live from the time they’ve given their employer? How does job skill have anything to do with worthiness of the basic essentials of human life?

No much on economics, huh?

That's ok.....  I'm betting you're smart enough to learn it. What I am not sure about is if you will look at it dispassionately enough to understand it.

....
It all boils down to this- all wealth is simply a substitute for effort - of work, learning - and not more than just a bit of luck and timing. (Luck = inheritances, marrying into money, ect)


Imagine if you will that you are the only human being on the planet. Everything you have, you would have to supply yourself.

Add people. To get others to expend effort for you - you will have to have something they want from you. 

If you' re the smartest, strongest grunt in the cave - your efforts will be in higher demand.

Sure - our interactions today are more complex - but the theory holds.

Someone who doesn't expend enough effort to support themselves manages to survive only by being parasitic. Consider the amount of work that goes into everything that McD's worker consumes - and you will quickly see that their output of work doesn't even come close...

It's like a kid expecting a college education because they picked up their socks and mowed the lawn....

Well first, all available data shows us that effort and wealth are, in fact, not directly proportional, so you’re just wrong about that. But you’re smart enough to go look that data up yourself. And just because you aren’t a medical doctor or a rocket scientist, that doesn’t mean you don’t expend energy at your job. Are we being selective about what kind of energy counts? Most jobs zap a fair amount of emotional, psychological, and/or physical energy. Some of the “lowest skill” (those we spent the last year calling “essential”) workers suffer some of the highest rates of stress and anxiety at their jobs. Any customer service job, including fast-food work, is draining, and ALL jobs require you expend precious time you can never get back. I’ll ask again: why shouldn’t expenditure of your time in service to an employer who is asking you for it not earn you the basics of human survival?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Foxaèr - May 25, 2021 at 6:51 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by brewer - May 25, 2021 at 7:36 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - May 25, 2021 at 9:30 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by ignoramus - May 26, 2021 at 4:24 am
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by mascale - June 7, 2021 at 3:20 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 7, 2021 at 9:29 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Aegon - June 8, 2021 at 10:57 am
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 8, 2021 at 1:12 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Brian37 - June 9, 2021 at 1:16 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Brian37 - June 9, 2021 at 1:56 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Brian37 - June 9, 2021 at 1:44 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by LadyForCamus - June 9, 2021 at 1:41 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Brian37 - June 9, 2021 at 1:02 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Aegon - June 9, 2021 at 3:56 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Aegon - June 9, 2021 at 4:04 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Aegon - June 9, 2021 at 4:17 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by mascale - June 8, 2021 at 2:00 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by GUBU - June 9, 2021 at 1:26 am
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by mascale - June 8, 2021 at 7:36 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 8, 2021 at 8:04 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by mascale - June 9, 2021 at 1:42 am
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Fireball - June 9, 2021 at 9:03 am
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 9, 2021 at 2:28 am
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 9, 2021 at 1:15 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 9, 2021 at 2:02 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Brian37 - June 9, 2021 at 3:06 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 9, 2021 at 2:16 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 9, 2021 at 2:45 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Brian37 - June 9, 2021 at 3:36 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 9, 2021 at 4:06 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 9, 2021 at 4:21 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 9, 2021 at 5:12 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 9, 2021 at 5:34 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by mascale - June 9, 2021 at 5:47 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 9, 2021 at 6:46 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Brian37 - June 9, 2021 at 7:56 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Aegon - June 10, 2021 at 11:39 am
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by onlinebiker - June 10, 2021 at 12:18 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by LadyForCamus - June 10, 2021 at 12:55 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Aegon - June 10, 2021 at 2:02 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Foxaèr - June 9, 2021 at 8:35 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 9, 2021 at 9:09 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Peebo-Thuhlu - June 10, 2021 at 12:43 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by brewer - June 10, 2021 at 2:42 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Angrboda - June 10, 2021 at 2:49 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by brewer - June 10, 2021 at 2:53 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Foxaèr - June 10, 2021 at 8:32 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 10, 2021 at 5:36 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 11, 2021 at 5:07 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Jackalope - June 11, 2021 at 5:09 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Foxaèr - June 11, 2021 at 5:53 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by GUBU - June 14, 2021 at 3:54 am
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Sal - June 13, 2021 at 9:26 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by GUBU - June 16, 2021 at 4:20 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Fireball - June 14, 2021 at 7:11 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Angrboda - June 15, 2021 at 9:14 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 15, 2021 at 11:31 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by onlinebiker - June 16, 2021 at 12:05 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Angrboda - June 16, 2021 at 12:19 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by onlinebiker - June 16, 2021 at 12:46 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 16, 2021 at 12:54 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by onlinebiker - June 16, 2021 at 12:59 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Angrboda - June 16, 2021 at 3:45 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 16, 2021 at 1:02 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Jackalope - June 16, 2021 at 5:54 pm
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help - by Rev. Rye - June 16, 2021 at 9:22 pm

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