RE: If people were 100% rational, would the world be better?
August 10, 2021 at 9:20 am
(This post was last modified: August 10, 2021 at 9:42 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Still seems to me that theism has the life-as-worthless issue. Positing their gods as a valuemaker - not life (or anything else, in fact). Perhaps that's why deconverts struggle with it? Perhaps that's why a culture steeped in judeochristian value claims perceives things as-such?
You're here telling us that no one has worked out any secular value to it, for example, as you notice. There are people who see no great mystery to the value of life, on account of life being meaningful all around them. A basic fact of their apprehension. You, also, are likely seeking a category of meaning that excludes meaning - as there's no shortage of literature, art, artifacts or living opinions on the meaningfulness of life outside of any divine context and it's impossible to believe that you've never seen any of it or aren't aware of it's existence, but...for whatever reason, you still insist that all of this must be empty, or not whatever your preferred meaning set is. That no thinker, has figured it out.
Perhaps you're projecting, as Kloro does when he imagines what he would think if he were an atheist which ironically turns out to be what he already thinks as a believer. That life has no value if there is no divine valuemaker...because the only acceptable valuemaker is divine.
Meanwhile, I'm over here wondering why either of you, whether you see value in life or not, would think that gods could be valuemakers. Why either of you believe not just that theres no other route to whatever meaning category you're seeking - that a god is capable of it. Perhaps explaining that might be required before you can launch into an objection to others value perceptions?
What value question about any thing can be validly answered by the exclusive utterance of the phrase "because a god exists".....? I don't know what kind of values those are, and I would have to have some idea of that before I could honestly tell a person whether that valuemaker exists in my own value perceptions.
You're here telling us that no one has worked out any secular value to it, for example, as you notice. There are people who see no great mystery to the value of life, on account of life being meaningful all around them. A basic fact of their apprehension. You, also, are likely seeking a category of meaning that excludes meaning - as there's no shortage of literature, art, artifacts or living opinions on the meaningfulness of life outside of any divine context and it's impossible to believe that you've never seen any of it or aren't aware of it's existence, but...for whatever reason, you still insist that all of this must be empty, or not whatever your preferred meaning set is. That no thinker, has figured it out.
Perhaps you're projecting, as Kloro does when he imagines what he would think if he were an atheist which ironically turns out to be what he already thinks as a believer. That life has no value if there is no divine valuemaker...because the only acceptable valuemaker is divine.
Meanwhile, I'm over here wondering why either of you, whether you see value in life or not, would think that gods could be valuemakers. Why either of you believe not just that theres no other route to whatever meaning category you're seeking - that a god is capable of it. Perhaps explaining that might be required before you can launch into an objection to others value perceptions?
What value question about any thing can be validly answered by the exclusive utterance of the phrase "because a god exists".....? I don't know what kind of values those are, and I would have to have some idea of that before I could honestly tell a person whether that valuemaker exists in my own value perceptions.
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