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[Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj.
(July 28, 2021 at 8:50 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(July 28, 2021 at 8:29 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: You do know I hope, that the walking around that meteorite far predated Islam. They used to worship hundreds of gods in the Kaaba, including the 3 divine daughters which originally were Allah's daughters, in the now removed, Satanic Verses. It was but one of many many cultural practices, ideas, myths, concepts and literary artifacts they took from the culture which invented Islam. 
Even the Shiite / Sunny conflict was basically a cultural war long before the made up conflict Muslims pretend it originated from.   
Almost nothing in Islam is original. Even the god developed directly from the Arabic moon-god, al-Illah, (also known as the god named "Sin" in the Bible, whom the Hebrews were told again and again to stop worshipping, .... in that sense Islam is not an "Abrahamic" religion, as the gods are different, although they both do revere Abraham as a prophet).

Among the elements in the Quran they stole, (actually in academia, it's known as "syncretism" or "borrowing", but it's certainly not original),from other sources are:

1. Moses and the Fish, (came from Babylon/Ugarit/the El myths),
2. Solomon listening to the ants, common fairy tales, existing all over the Ancient Near East,
3. Jinns, (genies) working for Solomon, both common fairy tales, existing all over the Ancient Near East,
4. Mary in the temple, (stolen from one of the proto gospels),
5. Jesus talking in the crib, (from the known Proto Gospel after Jacob)
6. The Egyptian child stories, (from the Arab Child Gospel, and The Thomas' Child Gospel), both just made up fairy stories.
7. Jesus making birds from clay, (known source, .."The Child Gospel after Thomas" vs 1-4),
8. Mary and the Palm, was taken from the Proto Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 20.
9. Mo's Night Journey to Heaven, taken from either the Hebrew Merebah, or the well known Gnostic "Enoc's Journey to Heaven", which is identical to to Ibn Ishaq’s story after Abu Said al-Chudri)
10. The Sleepers in the Cave, straight from the fairy story from Ephesus, (Mo got the dates wrong, but the story is right),
11. Alexander the Great, (Surah 18), (straight plagiarism), AND there was NO place in the world with enough iron blocks to close off a whole valley in 330 BC.
12. The myth about Ad. Straight from Arab folk tales.
13. Thamud – same as 12.
14. Median – copied from Arab folk tales.

Trolling is not allowed and copy-pasting arguments of others from other forums is also not allowed:

https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/sho...#pid179476

I have no time to feed trolls and vermin.

https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/1...t-page-64/

Another link proving the spammy behavior.

Looks like a gang of atheist trolls with a grudge on Islam. I bet this guy is a sock.


Ah yes, "vermin". I see your religion of peace does you a lot of good. 
Tomorrow I may post the lines from the Quran to murder non-believers and do violence. The religion of peace. 





I see actually you can answer nothing. You are totally ignorant of the origins of Islam. 
Too bad for you, but your sock claim is 100 % false. 
I AM the poster of the others, and arewethereyet knows me (well) from before, and can verify it is the SAME Bucky Ball. 
We have been friends for years.

That is not the problem here. It's hardly a "grudge"on Islam. It's nothing but HISTORICAL TRUTH.
Something you people have a very hard time with.
The problem is you are SO totally ignorant of your own religion's history, you cannot refute ANYTHING I said. 
So you have to call it spam.

Too bad you cannot deal with the TRUTH.
But thanks very much for posting the link to the entire article I wrote some time ago, after which the imam stopped talking to me, as he had no answers either.
https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/sho...#pid179476
The archaeological PROOF of the moon god fact, and many other historical references, by eminent scholars are in the article.
I don't care what religion makes you feel good, but don't tell lies.

Someone once asked Dr. Bart Ehrman when he was going to expose Islam like he had Christianity, and he replied "When I stop valuing my life".
We all know he would get a death fatwah just like the author of the Satanic Verses did, if he were to write about what is known, historically.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Pagan_Origins_of_Islam



Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell  Popcorn

Militant Atheist Commie Evolutionist 
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[Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 23, 2021 at 10:13 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by onlinebiker - July 23, 2021 at 10:19 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by no one - July 23, 2021 at 10:21 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Fake Messiah - July 23, 2021 at 10:38 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by brewer - July 23, 2021 at 10:56 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Astreja - July 23, 2021 at 11:04 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 24, 2021 at 7:48 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Astreja - July 24, 2021 at 11:33 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 25, 2021 at 4:56 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Astreja - July 25, 2021 at 7:06 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 28, 2021 at 12:13 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Nay_Sayer - July 23, 2021 at 11:22 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by arewethereyet - July 23, 2021 at 11:29 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by arewethereyet - July 23, 2021 at 12:02 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by brewer - July 23, 2021 at 11:33 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by LostLocke - July 23, 2021 at 8:52 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by brewer - July 23, 2021 at 8:58 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by LadyForCamus - July 23, 2021 at 12:02 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by GUBU - July 23, 2021 at 3:26 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Brian37 - July 23, 2021 at 4:09 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Paleophyte - July 25, 2021 at 11:26 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Bucky Ball - July 28, 2021 at 8:29 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 28, 2021 at 8:50 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by arewethereyet - July 28, 2021 at 9:00 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Bucky Ball - July 28, 2021 at 9:01 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by arewethereyet - July 28, 2021 at 9:20 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 28, 2021 at 10:55 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Nay_Sayer - July 28, 2021 at 11:04 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Bucky Ball - July 28, 2021 at 11:14 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 29, 2021 at 3:52 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by arewethereyet - July 29, 2021 at 6:00 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Bucky Ball - July 29, 2021 at 7:15 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 29, 2021 at 6:17 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 29, 2021 at 2:48 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Deesse23 - July 29, 2021 at 5:00 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 29, 2021 at 5:09 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Deesse23 - July 29, 2021 at 6:47 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Deesse23 - July 29, 2021 at 7:23 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Bucky Ball - July 29, 2021 at 7:36 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Bucky Ball - July 29, 2021 at 10:35 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by R00tKiT - July 29, 2021 at 10:49 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Bucky Ball - July 29, 2021 at 1:00 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by R00tKiT - July 29, 2021 at 6:39 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 29, 2021 at 6:42 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by arewethereyet - July 29, 2021 at 6:58 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 29, 2021 at 10:14 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Bucky Ball - July 30, 2021 at 9:26 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Nay_Sayer - July 30, 2021 at 11:32 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Bucky Ball - July 30, 2021 at 6:18 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by The Grand Nudger - July 29, 2021 at 11:32 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by R00tKiT - July 29, 2021 at 11:48 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 29, 2021 at 6:59 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by arewethereyet - July 29, 2021 at 7:21 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by R00tKiT - July 30, 2021 at 5:34 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Astreja - July 30, 2021 at 11:15 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Angrboda - July 30, 2021 at 12:55 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 30, 2021 at 5:57 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by arewethereyet - July 30, 2021 at 6:42 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 30, 2021 at 6:58 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by arewethereyet - July 30, 2021 at 7:21 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 30, 2021 at 8:19 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by R00tKiT - July 30, 2021 at 4:21 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by R00tKiT - July 30, 2021 at 4:32 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - July 30, 2021 at 6:02 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 30, 2021 at 9:42 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by arewethereyet - July 30, 2021 at 10:47 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Deesse23 - July 31, 2021 at 1:44 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Bucky Ball - July 31, 2021 at 6:42 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by The Grand Nudger - July 30, 2021 at 10:32 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 31, 2021 at 2:18 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Fake Messiah - July 31, 2021 at 6:25 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by arewethereyet - July 31, 2021 at 7:18 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by WinterHold - July 31, 2021 at 10:54 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Brian37 - August 1, 2021 at 1:16 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by arewethereyet - August 1, 2021 at 6:57 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Fake Messiah - August 1, 2021 at 12:13 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Bucky Ball - August 2, 2021 at 12:24 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - August 1, 2021 at 2:22 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by GUBU - August 2, 2021 at 2:21 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj. - by Bucky Ball - August 1, 2021 at 1:53 pm

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