(September 1, 2021 at 4:24 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:(September 1, 2021 at 1:52 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The most common argument made by nutters who try to pass laws like these is also the most hypocritical: that life beings at conception, therefore a foetus is a person so abortion is murder. They don’t believe it, and they KNOW they don’t believe it.
Boru
The Catholic church officially DOES believe this. A soul is created at the moment of conception, and therefore for every egg that gets a sperm, that soul will eventually knock on the gates of heaven, and will help condemn those who helped with an abortion.
That's actually only been their position since 1869 and actually runs contrary to anything in the bible, and more importantly (because souls are involved), all the writings of the church fathers on whose writings dogma is supposed to be based. Before that date the catholic position was that abortions were a-ok until ensoulment which, depending on who you talked to, happened somewhere between 40 days and 13 weeks. Yes there were catholic "intellectuals" who were totally anti-abortion but until Pius IX (he of papal infallibility and as thick as mince) took up their cause they were very much a fringe group.
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