(September 8, 2021 at 3:21 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Well, when you think about it, this cause must be supernatural. If by natural you mean anything inside the universe, then a cause of the universe has to be outside of it, and because it caused the natural world, it can rightfully be labeled super-natural, or if you don't like the term, simply non-natural.
Nope, you don't get to postulate "outside the universe" just to get out of the problem of infinite regress.
You are admitting that a "first cause" makes no sense, because the cause itself would require a cause -- so you postulate some realm where causality isn't required, and just say there is a deity there that makes universes.
If you break causality, then you break your ability to argue for or against a first cause. This whole discussion is pointless. "First cause" is a terrible argument for God. A far better one is fine-tuning, and I've seen everyone here turn on that one.