(September 10, 2021 at 11:37 am)polymath257 Wrote:(September 8, 2021 at 5:42 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Read what I wrote more carefully, dear bullshitter. A universe requires a cause, it can't just pop out of nothing. That's why the concept of God is necessary, it's because we care about rationality -unlike you, you think I am arbitrarily adding qualifiers to God to make it escape falsification. Well, no, you got it backwards: our position is that a deity is a necessary condition to existence, it's not an optional add-on. No god means no existence. No entity with sufficient qualifiers means no Anomalocaris.
Why in the world would you assume something as complicated as an intelligence would be required for anything else to exist?
Why cannot the universe itself 'simply exist' with no cause? That is, after all, what you are assuming about some deity.
The problem with inserting an all powerful super cognition would be the problem of infinite regress. If they want to argue everything has a cause, then what caused that super cognition, and what caused that super cognition, and what caused that super cognition, ect ect ect ect.
I have often argued that there is an "eternity", but not one that requires a cognitive cause. Much like the seasons constantly change on earth without a Snow God or Easter God or Beach God or Oak Leaf God.
It is true that science has yet to figure out if there was something prior to the Big Bang or it came out of "nothing". It could be that our current universe was the result of the death and collapse of a prior universe. Much like a dead tree becomes food for future plant life.
Either way, something vs nothing does not require a super cognition.
Humans simply don't like the idea of being finite, and god belief is simply a projection of their own desires.