(September 16, 2021 at 10:02 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: @Klorophyll
“The universe either began or did not begin to exist,” is your dichotomy.
What do you mean by “begin to exist?”
Precisely. Usually that phrase means something along the lines of 'at one point, it did not exist, and at a later it did because of some process'.
That is manifestly NOT the case with the universe. Again, since time is part of the universe and causality depends on time, there was no *time* when the universe did not exist.