(November 2, 2021 at 12:05 am)Klorophyll Wrote: I still can't believe people here are seriously second-guessing causality, what else is left if we start shooting down the simplest principles of thought..You're doing it again. No one has to shoot down any principles. A person can grant causality in full.....and still think your god inference is poorly constructed. I know I do. Because they don't have anything to do with each other.
The question of whether any theistic god exists is a question of whether there is a personal and intervening force or being operating in reality as described, for example, in any of our myths - on our behalf. The answer to that question, and arguments to the effect of yay or nay, have literally nothing to do with however the causality cookie crumbles. It doesn't even matter how the god cookie crumbles.
The evidential problem of evil directly refers to this when positing indifference. You can be given cause, and even be granted supernatural beings - and it will then be argued that supernatural indifference is a better explanation for the state of affairs in this world than theism.
Quote:This is a really downgraded definition of a deity. If the benevolent deity is also omnipotent, then nothing escapes its will, including evil.If you searched the boards you'd find no end of long doomed arguments to that effect. If I had a nickel for every time one god botherer told me some other god botherers god concept was trash, I'd be rich. However, the bit at the end there is where the logical problem of evil arises. Being omnipotent has logical consequences. The tri-omni combination also has logical consequences, compounded with every purported omni-attribute.
If god is willing to prevent evil but not able to prevent evil - then god is not omnipotent. Able, but not willing? Not omnibenevolent.
Able and willing - then where does evil come from?
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