RE: Atheism and the existence of peanut butter
December 22, 2021 at 5:29 pm
(This post was last modified: December 22, 2021 at 5:32 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(December 22, 2021 at 2:42 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Why..? modern theories just add more layers of complexity to classical notions. In the context of QM, we know that our scope of observation will be limited forever due to the uncertainty principle. Therefore, if our observations are simply limited, our ability to observe causes to effects is also limited, a fortiori.
There is no apparent violation either, we don't detect an effect arising before a purported cause (and even if we do, it's still possible that we are chasing the wrong cause), we simply don't detect the cause
Case in point. Rode in on assertions of an evidentiary case, but are now arguing what is not in evidence, what is not detected.
Quote:I am asserting this based on classical physics as a good approximation of reality. This is my support. Someone who claims causality isn't a good notion to describe reality, should provide decisive examples of causality violations.-and such a person could do so, and has done so, which is why classical physics has been superceded...but.that's just a red herring. What you've been doing is making demands of your god, insisting that such and such is a description of your god, on the basis of theories which we know are badly wrong.
There is another way to put it, although I am not completely sure: if there were truly violations of causality happening casually at the quantum level, then we would expect causal events and retrocausal events to somehow cancel out when we observe things from afar as in classical physics, which means we wouldn't observe causality in classical physics.
That's a mistake...but it's an honest one that islam has been making since the beginning, and it's no one's god but your own to shit on, in the end.
If the universe must be some particular way for your god to exist, your god posited as the explanation for the universe being that particular way...but the universe is not that particular way..then your god doesn't exist. Same self inflicted wound that the authors of the quran fell into when they cribbed greek medicine as a part of their divine pitch.
: shrugs:
Quote:Sorry, I meant omniscience. Omnipotence doesn't seem to imply full knowledge about anything
Obviously, yeah.
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