RE: Atheism and the existence of peanut butter
January 5, 2022 at 3:17 am
(This post was last modified: January 5, 2022 at 3:30 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 4, 2022 at 5:17 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:Insisting all through this thread that a gods existence is necessarily tied to and convincingly demonstrated by a causal relationship with every other thing, where god sits at the bottom of it all - the one explanation for all things. You think the world looks that way (which is awfully empirical..but I digress). Simply put....If p, then q.(December 22, 2021 at 5:29 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: What you've been doing is making demands of your god, insisting that such and such is a description of your god, on the basis of theories which we know are badly wrong.
I am not sure why you are doubling down on this. I am not making demands of anyone. If causality is indeed false, and my argments towards a deity are wrong, this just means I can't prove theism, it doesn't mean it's unprovable, or that God doesn't exist, or that Islam is false.
If, however, there is no such causal relationship...say...because we live in a fundamentally acausal universe, then there is no god. Not q, therefore not p. QED.
Hey, let's consider the rest though, right? The Grand Causer may be DOA in an uncaused universe (there goes Big Mo's imaginary friend and any claim to that effect in magic book)...but, you're absolutely correct. In an uncaused universe, theism could still be true. It could still be that there's a personal and intervening deity. There was never any requirement that a theistic god be The Grand Causer in the first place. With that in mind, I consider it pretty much a given that you're personally incompetent.
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