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God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy
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RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy
(December 8, 2021 at 6:31 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(December 6, 2021 at 10:41 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I can understand a conception of god that inherently disqualifies god from the category of ‘magical, imaginary things,’ i.e. the tooth fairy, Santa Clause, etc. (thank you @Neo-Scholastic for harping on the subject often enough that it finally tickled my thinker), and I’m happy to be charitable toward any argument that attempts to make such a distinction. What I’m having a hard time with is:

How can we rationally square that god is simultaneously not of the world, yet tangible in such a way that makes comparing god to magic and fantasy a category error? If a theist proposes that god is being erroneously lumped in with a particular stripe of concepts that he/she/it, de facto, doesn’t belong with, then I would say it’s the theist’s responsibility to lay out a pathway to grounding god in reality that actualizes god without leaving him/her/it susceptible to the same evidentiary standards used for any other real, material thing. 


The OP seem to embrace the notion that people cannot have justified true beliefs unless their beliefs trace back to some prior ideas that are unquestionably true (foundationalism) and are in that way justified. This type of epistemology is vulnerable to Pyrrhonic skepticism. That said, I don't take the critiques of radical skeptics very seriously, myself.  I favor a normative approach to epistemology. There are many things people commonly consider true or existing, despite the fact there is no tangible evidence for them - other minds, non-spectral color hues, etc. My general rule is that things are as they appear to be unless shown otherwise by some defeater.

I also define evidence as observations that warrant belief. Typical Scholastic observations would be of a 'cosmic' level, such as that there is 'something rather than nothing' or that 'there are degrees of perfection'. Others like Thomas Benteley Hart, in the Orthodox tradition refer to mystical observations of Bliss and Pure Consciousness. In either case, the claim being made is that the known universe, taken as a whole, has features that warrant belief in a larger unobservable reality. That larger reality is not just another being in a world of beings. A chip of the Totality is not the Totality. This is why I consider it silly to compare mythological creatures, that are all supposedly beings in the world, with the God of Classical Theism, Being-Itself, that sustains the existence of all beings. That's just a category error.

So as far as I am concerned, my pre-existing sense that God exists is warranted by 'cosmic' observations such as those in the 5W but also the experience of Beauty with a capital 'B'. After that, I personally find the commonly proposed defeaters insufficient for a variety of reasons, such as failing to account for the Principle of Sufficient Reason.

All I hear is special pleading. Claiming a special category for god because you believe god does more stuff.

What mythological creatures in the world? I'm talking about creatures of imagination, mental constructs, definitely not in the world. Maybe I misunderstand, would you like to explain further how these creatures are 'in' the world?

Also can you explain the 'sustains the existence of all beings'?
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God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by LadyForCamus - December 6, 2021 at 10:41 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by onlinebiker - December 6, 2021 at 10:45 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by arewethereyet - December 6, 2021 at 10:49 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by LadyForCamus - December 6, 2021 at 10:59 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by brewer - December 6, 2021 at 11:11 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by LadyForCamus - December 6, 2021 at 11:14 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by onlinebiker - December 7, 2021 at 9:26 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by brewer - December 6, 2021 at 10:55 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Foxaèr - December 6, 2021 at 10:58 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by LadyForCamus - December 6, 2021 at 11:01 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Belacqua - December 6, 2021 at 11:47 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by LadyForCamus - December 7, 2021 at 12:18 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Oldandeasilyconfused - December 7, 2021 at 12:57 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by polymath257 - December 16, 2021 at 11:16 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by no one - December 7, 2021 at 12:38 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by ignoramus - December 7, 2021 at 1:42 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Foxaèr - December 7, 2021 at 2:16 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by ignoramus - December 7, 2021 at 3:14 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Brian37 - December 7, 2021 at 3:00 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Fake Messiah - December 7, 2021 at 4:48 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Belacqua - December 7, 2021 at 6:23 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2021 at 6:33 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by brewer - December 7, 2021 at 7:29 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 7, 2021 at 7:33 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Fake Messiah - December 7, 2021 at 7:52 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2021 at 8:33 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Angrboda - December 7, 2021 at 9:38 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Ahriman - December 7, 2021 at 9:46 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by brewer - December 7, 2021 at 9:59 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Mister Agenda - December 7, 2021 at 10:38 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by zebo-the-fat - December 7, 2021 at 10:52 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2021 at 3:12 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by onlinebiker - December 7, 2021 at 3:29 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by vulcanlogician - December 7, 2021 at 3:33 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by arewethereyet - December 7, 2021 at 3:42 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Ranjr - December 7, 2021 at 3:40 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2021 at 3:47 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by arewethereyet - December 7, 2021 at 3:49 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by arewethereyet - December 13, 2021 at 3:36 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 13, 2021 at 4:25 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 7, 2021 at 3:55 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2021 at 3:57 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 7, 2021 at 4:58 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2021 at 5:34 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by R00tKiT - December 7, 2021 at 5:40 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2021 at 5:43 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Valkyrie - December 7, 2021 at 5:48 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by R00tKiT - December 7, 2021 at 5:53 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Valkyrie - December 7, 2021 at 5:54 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by vulcanlogician - December 7, 2021 at 6:10 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by R00tKiT - December 7, 2021 at 6:19 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2021 at 5:54 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by R00tKiT - December 7, 2021 at 5:57 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Valkyrie - December 7, 2021 at 6:02 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by R00tKiT - December 7, 2021 at 6:04 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Valkyrie - December 7, 2021 at 6:07 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Angrboda - December 7, 2021 at 6:42 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Ranjr - December 7, 2021 at 7:51 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Peebo-Thuhlu - December 7, 2021 at 8:52 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Ranjr - December 8, 2021 at 1:38 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Neo-Scholastic - December 8, 2021 at 6:31 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by brewer - December 8, 2021 at 7:50 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Belacqua - December 9, 2021 at 4:36 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by brewer - December 9, 2021 at 8:37 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Mister Agenda - December 9, 2021 at 10:54 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Neo-Scholastic - December 9, 2021 at 10:57 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Mister Agenda - December 9, 2021 at 11:03 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Belacqua - December 10, 2021 at 5:34 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by polymath257 - December 15, 2021 at 9:19 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Neo-Scholastic - December 15, 2021 at 10:31 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by polymath257 - December 15, 2021 at 10:37 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Architect Of Fate - December 15, 2021 at 10:38 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by LadyForCamus - December 15, 2021 at 11:39 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 9, 2021 at 7:02 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 9, 2021 at 10:59 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Neo-Scholastic - December 9, 2021 at 1:24 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by arewethereyet - December 10, 2021 at 8:54 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 9, 2021 at 1:34 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2021 at 8:27 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2021 at 9:06 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by arewethereyet - December 10, 2021 at 9:24 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2021 at 9:31 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by arewethereyet - December 10, 2021 at 9:42 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2021 at 9:54 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by arewethereyet - December 10, 2021 at 9:57 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2021 at 10:10 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Angrboda - December 10, 2021 at 10:31 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by arewethereyet - December 10, 2021 at 10:34 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Angrboda - December 10, 2021 at 10:41 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2021 at 10:56 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2021 at 12:27 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Abaddon_ire - December 10, 2021 at 3:28 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Neo-Scholastic - December 10, 2021 at 6:41 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by brewer - December 10, 2021 at 6:57 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Abaddon_ire - December 11, 2021 at 4:31 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Neo-Scholastic - December 10, 2021 at 7:51 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Oldandeasilyconfused - December 10, 2021 at 7:06 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by brewer - December 10, 2021 at 8:18 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by DLJ - December 10, 2021 at 8:57 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by arewethereyet - December 10, 2021 at 9:01 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by DLJ - December 10, 2021 at 9:47 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by arewethereyet - December 10, 2021 at 10:11 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Neo-Scholastic - December 11, 2021 at 12:01 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Jehanne - December 11, 2021 at 12:19 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Mister Agenda - December 13, 2021 at 1:32 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Architect Of Fate - December 11, 2021 at 12:04 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 11, 2021 at 7:23 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Angrboda - December 11, 2021 at 7:15 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 13, 2021 at 4:20 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by LadyForCamus - December 15, 2021 at 7:53 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Belacqua - December 15, 2021 at 10:30 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by polymath257 - December 15, 2021 at 10:39 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Grand Nudger - December 15, 2021 at 8:00 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Ranjr - December 16, 2021 at 12:21 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Neo-Scholastic - December 16, 2021 at 11:48 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by polymath257 - December 16, 2021 at 12:02 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Neo-Scholastic - December 16, 2021 at 4:03 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by polymath257 - December 16, 2021 at 5:54 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by LadyForCamus - December 16, 2021 at 7:44 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by polymath257 - December 16, 2021 at 8:03 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Architect Of Fate - December 16, 2021 at 10:04 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Neo-Scholastic - December 16, 2021 at 9:40 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Jehanne - December 16, 2021 at 10:04 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by polymath257 - December 16, 2021 at 10:24 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by LadyForCamus - December 17, 2021 at 1:49 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Architect Of Fate - December 16, 2021 at 10:02 pm

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