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God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy
(December 16, 2021 at 12:02 pm)polymath257 Wrote:
(December 16, 2021 at 11:48 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: After first contact and we see that the aliens navigated between the stars with board games then I will admit that mathematical truths can be invented rather than having to be discovered.

Do you really expect that aliens will have the same mathematics as us? That the Peano axioms for the natural numbers are universal?  That Euclidean geometry is a priori? Do you really think that they will use the same trigonometric functions that we do? Or have the same set theory or even logic?

I don't. There are simply too many ways to construct math.

Math is, ultimately, a board game. It has rules of deduction (of play) and axioms (starting positions) and gets results from those.

On the other hand, I would suspect that their math and ours would be mutually comprehensible and that they arrive at equivalent laws of physics as we (given equivalent technology).

I would also be very, very surprised if they have anything close to the same metaphysics.

Thank you for putting that in bold because the key issue is in fact an intelligibility that transcends circumstances. If their maths are true, they will be true in the same way ours is and for the same reasons, i. e. In all possible worlds...includeing the alternative physical universes of a speculative multiverse. That is why I do not find your conviction that everything supervenes on the physical persuasive. A universe with different physical laws seems conceivable but not a universe in which true logic systems or maths yield different results. As such, those are metaphysically prior preconditions for a physical universe.

BTW I have to hand it to you for reading Hart. May I ask, because I assume you can see that Hart is a serious and intelligent thinker even if you think he is wrong...do you feel it is right and proper to compare his sincerely held conviction in God with believing in Tooth Fairies?
<insert profound quote here>
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God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by LadyForCamus - December 6, 2021 at 10:41 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by onlinebiker - December 6, 2021 at 10:45 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by arewethereyet - December 6, 2021 at 10:49 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by LadyForCamus - December 6, 2021 at 10:59 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by brewer - December 6, 2021 at 11:11 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by LadyForCamus - December 6, 2021 at 11:14 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by onlinebiker - December 7, 2021 at 9:26 am
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RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Foxaèr - December 6, 2021 at 10:58 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by LadyForCamus - December 6, 2021 at 11:01 pm
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RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by LadyForCamus - December 7, 2021 at 12:18 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Oldandeasilyconfused - December 7, 2021 at 12:57 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by polymath257 - December 16, 2021 at 11:16 am
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RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Ranjr - December 16, 2021 at 12:21 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Neo-Scholastic - December 16, 2021 at 11:48 am
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by polymath257 - December 16, 2021 at 12:02 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Neo-Scholastic - December 16, 2021 at 4:03 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by polymath257 - December 16, 2021 at 5:54 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by LadyForCamus - December 16, 2021 at 7:44 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by polymath257 - December 16, 2021 at 8:03 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by The Architect Of Fate - December 16, 2021 at 10:04 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Neo-Scholastic - December 16, 2021 at 9:40 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by Jehanne - December 16, 2021 at 10:04 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by polymath257 - December 16, 2021 at 10:24 pm
RE: God, Santa, and The Tooth Fairy - by LadyForCamus - December 17, 2021 at 1:49 pm
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