(October 24, 2011 at 7:34 am)lucent Wrote: He had to give them the choice, otherwise they would just be robots. God could have created them so they would just do whatever He told them to do, but you can't have meaningful relationships with automotons. And It wasn't a loaded gun, it was an apple, and they both lived to be almost 1000 years of age. It's not as if God stopped taking care of them.
(October 24, 2011 at 7:38 am)edk141 Wrote: In other words, it was even more tempting than a loaded gun, because apples are nice.
He could not give them the choice without knowing what they would do. When he created them, his omniscience would have told him what was going to happen, and he could have changed it at any point, but didn't.
Foreknowledge doesn't rule out free will. Foreknowledge doesn't force you to do something, nor does it prevent you from doing something.
(October 24, 2011 at 7:38 am)edk141 Wrote: He also didn't have to give them the apple in the first place. Why create a garden with a dangerous tree in it? What is so wrong with knowledge anyway? This is just a shitty story used to justify keeping knowledge from the peasants.
He could not give them the choice without knowing what they would do. When he created them, his omniscience would have told him what was going to happen, and he could have changed it at any point, but didn't
Why create a garden with a dangerous tree in it? What is so wrong with knowledge anyway? This is just a shitty story used to justify keeping knowledge from the peasants..
He put it there so they had a choice between good and evil, and there is nothing wrong with knowledge. God wanted to teach them His way, but He gave them the opportunity to defy Him and try to take a shortcut. Remember that Eve was tempted of the tree because she wanted Gods wisdom for herself.