(October 24, 2011 at 2:48 pm)lucent Wrote: God isn't a precog. He knows the future because He exists outside of time and everything from beginning to end is in front of Him. He is also not bound by the future. He can, at any time, modify whatever He wants, and change the scenerio to give His creatures different choices. Some things are set in stone, such as judgement day. Others are more fluid. Do you think God involves Himself in whether you eat wheaties or cheerios? Some things are determined but not everything. In any moment, God is capable of offering His creatures significant freedom without pushing them towards one choice or another/
Wrong! I have in one hand a ten dollar bill, in the other a hundred dollar bill. You can choose either one, no strings attached. If you choose the ten dollar bill you will make different choices than if you choose the hundred dollar bill. If decide not to choose either one, that, again, will make a difference in your choices. If I know everything, then by making this offer, I can steer you into a different set of choices of my choosing, but I already knew that is what I would do as much as what you will do. It is still a predetermined illusion of free will.
If the angels could not handle free will without the temptation of the tree of knowledge, then why would your god actually put a temptation in front of Adam and Eve and expect any more responsibility from a 'mere human'?
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-- Homer Simpson
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-- Superintendent Chalmers
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-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy