(October 24, 2011 at 5:10 pm)IATIA Wrote: Wrong! I have in one hand a ten dollar bill, in the other a hundred dollar bill. You can choose either one, no strings attached. If you choose the ten dollar bill you will make different choices than if you choose the hundred dollar bill. If decide not to choose either one, that, again, will make a difference in your choices. If I know everything, then by making this offer, I can steer you into a different set of choices of my choosing, but I already knew that is what I would do as much as what you will do. It is still a predetermined illusion of free will.
(October 24, 2011 at 5:21 pm)lucent Wrote: No, it's more complex than that. The only way that could be valid is if God already knows every thought He is ever going to have, and if He knows that, then He can always create one thought more. It streams into infinity. God surpasses all of these limitations and is always capable of being perfectly fair because He always has options. Because He has choices means He can give us choices. It would only be locked in if God had no choices.Nothing, not a thing, not your god, not any possible god or entity can transverse an infinity. Therefore your god is finite and the thoughts are finite and if your god is as big and bad as you say, your god should know all it's thoughts. Or have I found yet another limitation of your all-powerful wizard? (Yeah, I saw that curtain. Just had to peek.)
(October 24, 2011 at 5:10 pm)IATIA Wrote: If the angels could not handle free will without the temptation of the tree of knowledge, then why would your god actually put a temptation in front of Adam and Eve and expect any more responsibility from a 'mere human'?
(October 24, 2011 at 5:21 pm)lucent Wrote: The angels were created with knowledge of good and evil. Humans weren't. Much different scenerios.So what you are saying is that the angels were unable to resist evil, even though they knew better, and Adam and Eve should have been able to resist because they did not know any better?
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God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
