lucent, you don't need a bible or so called divine knowledge to define human behavior. A look back through history dating back before the existence of Judaism or Christianity will be sufficient to demonstrate that it has not changed much. You have good people and you have bad people and that is just a fact of life, but not all of us are bad.
Lucent wrote: The bible accurately describes human behavior to a t; it is universally corrupt. We're all hypocrites who have failed to live up to our own standards let alone Gods standard. Sin is real, and as you keep partaking in it, the more corrupt you become. It is a spiritual blindless and bondage; enslavement to desires. It isn't debasing to ask God for forgiveness, nor does God want you to grovel.
This statement proves my point just fine, in that one paragraph you have debased yourself and included the rest of mankind with you. I disagree with your belief that sin is real, sin is a word that is meaningless outside of a religious context. According to the scriptures the definition of sin is basically living in disobedience to God and following after your own carnal nature. Since I don't believe in your god nor any other for that matter, the word sin does not even exist in my vocabulary.
You stated that God does not want you to grovel but I disagree. If you read your bible carefully your holy dictator demands obedience and worship there are many texts both in the O.T. and the N.T. where God threatens us with some sort of bodily or spiritual harm for disobedience here are two for you. One from each Testament.
See now that I, I am he, and beside me there is no other god. It is I who deal death and life; when I have struck, it is I who heal (no one can rescue anyone from me). Deuteronomy 32:39 (NJB). Now if that is not a threat I don't know what is you should read the rest of the chapter its chock full of more juicy God threats.
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; fear him rather who can destroy both body and soul in hell. Matthew 10:28 (NJB). And guess what? There is plenty more of where this came from all over the New Testament.
Lucent wrote: The bible accurately describes human behavior to a t; it is universally corrupt. We're all hypocrites who have failed to live up to our own standards let alone Gods standard. Sin is real, and as you keep partaking in it, the more corrupt you become. It is a spiritual blindless and bondage; enslavement to desires. It isn't debasing to ask God for forgiveness, nor does God want you to grovel.
This statement proves my point just fine, in that one paragraph you have debased yourself and included the rest of mankind with you. I disagree with your belief that sin is real, sin is a word that is meaningless outside of a religious context. According to the scriptures the definition of sin is basically living in disobedience to God and following after your own carnal nature. Since I don't believe in your god nor any other for that matter, the word sin does not even exist in my vocabulary.
You stated that God does not want you to grovel but I disagree. If you read your bible carefully your holy dictator demands obedience and worship there are many texts both in the O.T. and the N.T. where God threatens us with some sort of bodily or spiritual harm for disobedience here are two for you. One from each Testament.
See now that I, I am he, and beside me there is no other god. It is I who deal death and life; when I have struck, it is I who heal (no one can rescue anyone from me). Deuteronomy 32:39 (NJB). Now if that is not a threat I don't know what is you should read the rest of the chapter its chock full of more juicy God threats.
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; fear him rather who can destroy both body and soul in hell. Matthew 10:28 (NJB). And guess what? There is plenty more of where this came from all over the New Testament.
There is nothing people will not maintain when they are slaves to superstition
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