(October 25, 2011 at 10:55 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Credit for the good shit, check, the bad shit...not my purvey, what am I, some omnipotent creator?
Are you suggesting an omnipotent creator couldn’t create a world where He gets credit for the good but only his creatures are morally responsible for the bad? I am starting to think you don’t know what omnipotence means.
(October 25, 2011 at 11:14 pm)Shell B Wrote: So, you have to have grace to be good and you have to have grace to avoid sin, yet some atheists are good. Explain.
There is a distinction between saving grace and common grace. Everyone who gets better than they deserve is a recipient of common grace. Everyone who lives is a recipient of this common grace because none of us even deserve the opportunity to live because of Adam’s fall. This common grace is also responsible for all good deeds that anyone does. Left to their own devices, no one would choose to do anything good, we would be completely overpowered by sin. This common grace was made possible by Christ’s atonement. However, Christ also purchased saving grace for all those who trusted in his coming before he came and his church after his death.
On a different note, I cannot find a definition of good or evil in this thread, so maybe it would be helpful for a few unbelievers to give their definitions for those terms. Thanks.
