(November 4, 2011 at 1:44 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: Right I'm seeing predestination mentioned, but no other distinction. Please quote the passage you are referring to.
Huh? You didn’t see all of the passages dealing with “saved by grace through faith” in Ephesians 2? You also didn’t see God granting Noah common grace for 120 years in Genesis 6:8? They are common themes throughout the whole of scripture.
Quote: Prove it.
It says in John 6 that all those the Father gives the son will be raised up on the last day. Bradford came to Christ so logically you would say he was given to Christ by the Father because nobody can come to Christ who was not given to him by the father (also in John 6). Since Bradford was given to Christ by the father he will be lifted up on the last day.
Quote: So why am I being held accountable for your puppeteer-god meddling with my life?
You’re not, you’re held accountable for your rebellion against God’s efficacious will. (Note: I was asked this question directly; this is not meant as preaching).
Quote: No he's not. I could never be as heartless as to drag people into existence and then create a realm of eternal suffering for them. Sorry you've warped your mind enough to think that's love.
Well then, please define love.
Quote: Nice dodge, but you haven't answered my question. I'm waiting...
Could you restate it? I don’t remember which question you are referring to.
Quote: Well you've made it obvious you don't understand sarcasm. I'm fully aware of the monster god described in scriptures, thank you.
I am not aware of any such god, maybe you are looking at a different “scripture” than me.
Quote: So the scriptures say. Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens is quite clear that Peter is a mischievous boy who can fly and magically refuses to grow up.
I don’t believe Peter Pan is ever mentioned in scripture.
Quote: Its Fiction, not Fact.
Peter Pan? Well we agree on something.