<![CDATA[Atheist Forums - All Forums]]> https://atheistforums.org/ Fri, 19 Jun 2026 08:00:03 +0000 MyBB <![CDATA[Political Watch]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66709.html Tue, 16 Jun 2026 12:21:59 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66709.html Quote:The case involves a former Twitter employee, Ahmad Abouammo, who gave confidential information to Saudi Arabia in 2015 to help it crack down on dissidents. After sharing that information, Abouammo left his job at Twitter in San Francisco and moved to Seattle.

In 2018, FBI agents came to interview him at his house, and he produced a false document to mislead them about his culpability. He was later convicted of acting as a foreign agent, among other crimes, during a trial in San Francisco. Most of his convictions were not at issue in this case.

The question for the justices was whether he could also be convicted in San Francisco of an obstruction charge based on his falsification of a document in Seattle.

The justices unanimously agreed that the obstruction conviction was invalid, overruling lower courts. After all, the Constitution of 1789 required that defendants face trial “in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed,” and the Bill of Rights added a requirement that the trial be in the same “district” as well.

As Justice Elena Kagan explained for the court, this wasn’t just a minor detail. “Venue in criminal cases mattered more than might be supposed to the Nation’s Founders,” she wrote. “Prior to the Revolution, Parliament enacted measures to try allegedly treasonous colonists in England, rather than in their home colonies. The legislation was so roundly despised as to make it into the Declaration of Independence.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...secutions/]]> Quote:The case involves a former Twitter employee, Ahmad Abouammo, who gave confidential information to Saudi Arabia in 2015 to help it crack down on dissidents. After sharing that information, Abouammo left his job at Twitter in San Francisco and moved to Seattle.

In 2018, FBI agents came to interview him at his house, and he produced a false document to mislead them about his culpability. He was later convicted of acting as a foreign agent, among other crimes, during a trial in San Francisco. Most of his convictions were not at issue in this case.

The question for the justices was whether he could also be convicted in San Francisco of an obstruction charge based on his falsification of a document in Seattle.

The justices unanimously agreed that the obstruction conviction was invalid, overruling lower courts. After all, the Constitution of 1789 required that defendants face trial “in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed,” and the Bill of Rights added a requirement that the trial be in the same “district” as well.

As Justice Elena Kagan explained for the court, this wasn’t just a minor detail. “Venue in criminal cases mattered more than might be supposed to the Nation’s Founders,” she wrote. “Prior to the Revolution, Parliament enacted measures to try allegedly treasonous colonists in England, rather than in their home colonies. The legislation was so roundly despised as to make it into the Declaration of Independence.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...secutions/]]> <![CDATA[Runescape Players?]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66708.html Tue, 16 Jun 2026 03:20:06 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66708.html
I am, have been since 2004, so I was there for the golden age, and then December 2007 with removal of free trade and wilderness, the years after that, the return of free trade and wilderness, then EOC, and I voted for and played Old School since it released in February 2013.

So today, my old school account is much better than any of my accounts have ever been, 7 99's, working on my 8th, max combat level, I've recently completed desert treasure, legends quest, and recipe for disaster for the first time, etc, etc. I am getting better at the game than I have ever been. Mind you, when I started I was a literal 9 year old... so .. yeah...

Wondering, how many others are there here, do you play OS, or RS3?

Now, excuse me while I go back to AFK chopping magic trees in the wood cutting guild.]]>
I am, have been since 2004, so I was there for the golden age, and then December 2007 with removal of free trade and wilderness, the years after that, the return of free trade and wilderness, then EOC, and I voted for and played Old School since it released in February 2013.

So today, my old school account is much better than any of my accounts have ever been, 7 99's, working on my 8th, max combat level, I've recently completed desert treasure, legends quest, and recipe for disaster for the first time, etc, etc. I am getting better at the game than I have ever been. Mind you, when I started I was a literal 9 year old... so .. yeah...

Wondering, how many others are there here, do you play OS, or RS3?

Now, excuse me while I go back to AFK chopping magic trees in the wood cutting guild.]]> <![CDATA["Re"-Introducing Myself]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66707.html Mon, 15 Jun 2026 03:38:19 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66707.html
I believe I had an account on here years ago, and was active for a few days, something like Twiggy95 or Twiggy1995. However I am unable to log into that, or even find them when searching for users here, and I was only able to recover this until today, unused account.

So, I am currently a 31 year old man, life-long atheist, Church of Satan Member, and practicing Satanist.

Though I am Canadian, I have a lot of respect for the late Madalyn Murray O'hair, and even David Silverman. However I do think modern day "American Atheists" have lost their way unfortunately, and I think Madalyn would not be pleased, to say the least.

Even though I was sent to the provincial catholic school system, went to church on Sundays until I was in my late teen's, and was raised in the heavily catholic Polish culture, I never believed, and was openly atheist since I was 12, and I guess was always atheist since I was old enough to understand what religion is and not believe in it, I only learnt what "atheist"/ism meant when I was 12.

I learnt about satanism through watching a documentary on my favorite artist, Marilyn Manson, from what I heard it intrigued me, so I went and learned more, bought and read the satanic bible, and found myself agreeing with it. Long story short, it's about being your own god, living for yourself, and your own life, taking responsibility of oneself and all that, living life to the fullest, etc. No supernatural or spiritual garbage, and it accepts man's true animal nature. You cannot be a satanist without first being an atheist, Theism is a deal-breaker for Satanism.

In 2017 I experienced the tragic death of my dog, when she was ran over, and last year in March the freak accidental death (tractor accident) of my father, in fact we did the internment of his ashes at the cemetery yesterday. None of these experiences change my view, none of them made me think there is an afterlife, or think irrationally, in fact they had the opposite effect, solidifying for me that shit is truly random, and its all up to chance, I don't even know if something like that could happen to me tomorrow? likely, not, but the chance is greater then 0.]]>
I believe I had an account on here years ago, and was active for a few days, something like Twiggy95 or Twiggy1995. However I am unable to log into that, or even find them when searching for users here, and I was only able to recover this until today, unused account.

So, I am currently a 31 year old man, life-long atheist, Church of Satan Member, and practicing Satanist.

Though I am Canadian, I have a lot of respect for the late Madalyn Murray O'hair, and even David Silverman. However I do think modern day "American Atheists" have lost their way unfortunately, and I think Madalyn would not be pleased, to say the least.

Even though I was sent to the provincial catholic school system, went to church on Sundays until I was in my late teen's, and was raised in the heavily catholic Polish culture, I never believed, and was openly atheist since I was 12, and I guess was always atheist since I was old enough to understand what religion is and not believe in it, I only learnt what "atheist"/ism meant when I was 12.

I learnt about satanism through watching a documentary on my favorite artist, Marilyn Manson, from what I heard it intrigued me, so I went and learned more, bought and read the satanic bible, and found myself agreeing with it. Long story short, it's about being your own god, living for yourself, and your own life, taking responsibility of oneself and all that, living life to the fullest, etc. No supernatural or spiritual garbage, and it accepts man's true animal nature. You cannot be a satanist without first being an atheist, Theism is a deal-breaker for Satanism.

In 2017 I experienced the tragic death of my dog, when she was ran over, and last year in March the freak accidental death (tractor accident) of my father, in fact we did the internment of his ashes at the cemetery yesterday. None of these experiences change my view, none of them made me think there is an afterlife, or think irrationally, in fact they had the opposite effect, solidifying for me that shit is truly random, and its all up to chance, I don't even know if something like that could happen to me tomorrow? likely, not, but the chance is greater then 0.]]> <![CDATA[What causes Atheists to convert?]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66704.html Sun, 14 Jun 2026 23:00:13 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66704.html
My theory is that many of these people were never truly atheists and are instead confusing being mad at god, or disappointed, sad with god, with atheism.

As for the one's who were actually atheists under the "lack of belief in a god(s)", from what I have seen, including a recent conversation I have had, their standard of evidence seems to have dropped, or someone somehow managed to talk them into accepting something on poor evidence.

The recent conversation I had, with a christian, former atheists friend, let me know that he became christian because "people witnessed the resurrection", "people wouldn't die for a lie" like somehow people claiming something, is enough evidence of a literal supernatural miraculous event. It's an extraordinary claim, which needs extraordinary evidence, yet somehow he accepts it based on flimsy weak, "evidence". He tried saying "you accept the existence of Ceaser based on documentation" - sure, but Ceaser was just another man, like all other men, it's not comparable to a claim of a resurrection.

So I guess the real question is, for those who actually were atheists at one point, what causes their standard of evidence, and ability to different claims from each other, to slip?]]>
My theory is that many of these people were never truly atheists and are instead confusing being mad at god, or disappointed, sad with god, with atheism.

As for the one's who were actually atheists under the "lack of belief in a god(s)", from what I have seen, including a recent conversation I have had, their standard of evidence seems to have dropped, or someone somehow managed to talk them into accepting something on poor evidence.

The recent conversation I had, with a christian, former atheists friend, let me know that he became christian because "people witnessed the resurrection", "people wouldn't die for a lie" like somehow people claiming something, is enough evidence of a literal supernatural miraculous event. It's an extraordinary claim, which needs extraordinary evidence, yet somehow he accepts it based on flimsy weak, "evidence". He tried saying "you accept the existence of Ceaser based on documentation" - sure, but Ceaser was just another man, like all other men, it's not comparable to a claim of a resurrection.

So I guess the real question is, for those who actually were atheists at one point, what causes their standard of evidence, and ability to different claims from each other, to slip?]]> <![CDATA[Feral Atheist]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66703.html Wed, 10 Jun 2026 01:37:06 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66703.html
Parents sent me to a parochial school because it was an excellent school vs. the public schools in the area. Catholic students went to their catechism classes, the Jewish kids went to whatever they do, and the rest of us had "Bible study." Even in the first grade I listened to the big-boat tall tales and thought, This is bullshit.]]>
Parents sent me to a parochial school because it was an excellent school vs. the public schools in the area. Catholic students went to their catechism classes, the Jewish kids went to whatever they do, and the rest of us had "Bible study." Even in the first grade I listened to the big-boat tall tales and thought, This is bullshit.]]> <![CDATA[The deal with Melchizedek]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66702.html Sun, 07 Jun 2026 13:08:26 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66702.html
Melchizedek is a name that is mentioned in the OT in Genesis 14 and Psalm 110 (and also in Hebrews in the NT).

Here's the thing with him:

He is abruptly introduced in Genesis 14:18-20 as the king of Salem who also happens to be a priest of the same God whom Abram followed. Out of nowhere, this king comes into the picture with bread and wine and blesses Abram, and then Abram gives him a tithe. And then he is never mentioned again (until Psalm 110).

It has been argued by a few scholars that this king was initially meant to be the same king of Sodom mentioned in Genesis 14, but then later changed to a separate character by redactors exactly to avoid the embarrassment that Abram was being subservient here to the king of a corrupt nation. Part of the case they put forward here is that the Hebrew for "Sodom" and "Salem" only differ by one character.

That one-letter difference may just be a coincidence, though. Nevertheless, because of how Melchizedek was abruptly presented as both king of a mysterious region and as priest of God, he has become quite a mystery and a regular topic of debate among scholars and laypeople.

For many Christians, Melchizedek is Jesus. But even before Christianity was a thing, you can see in Psalm 110:4 how Melchizedek was already being suggested as an almost divine figure.

I suspect the redactors had access to some tradition about the great king Melchizedek and made the decision to patch that in Genesis 14:18-20 in the middle of the account of Abram and the king of Sodom in the aftermath of the hostage rescue described earlier in the chapter. And it was likely a creativity decision to emphasize a contrast between the great king of Salem and the not-so-great king of Sodom and reiterate that Abram was blessed by God. This would've been the best spot to include this in.

So the king himself would not have been intended to be a mysterious figure to the ancient Israelites but part of their lore. It is only later that he is made legendary by Christians (and Jews).]]>
Melchizedek is a name that is mentioned in the OT in Genesis 14 and Psalm 110 (and also in Hebrews in the NT).

Here's the thing with him:

He is abruptly introduced in Genesis 14:18-20 as the king of Salem who also happens to be a priest of the same God whom Abram followed. Out of nowhere, this king comes into the picture with bread and wine and blesses Abram, and then Abram gives him a tithe. And then he is never mentioned again (until Psalm 110).

It has been argued by a few scholars that this king was initially meant to be the same king of Sodom mentioned in Genesis 14, but then later changed to a separate character by redactors exactly to avoid the embarrassment that Abram was being subservient here to the king of a corrupt nation. Part of the case they put forward here is that the Hebrew for "Sodom" and "Salem" only differ by one character.

That one-letter difference may just be a coincidence, though. Nevertheless, because of how Melchizedek was abruptly presented as both king of a mysterious region and as priest of God, he has become quite a mystery and a regular topic of debate among scholars and laypeople.

For many Christians, Melchizedek is Jesus. But even before Christianity was a thing, you can see in Psalm 110:4 how Melchizedek was already being suggested as an almost divine figure.

I suspect the redactors had access to some tradition about the great king Melchizedek and made the decision to patch that in Genesis 14:18-20 in the middle of the account of Abram and the king of Sodom in the aftermath of the hostage rescue described earlier in the chapter. And it was likely a creativity decision to emphasize a contrast between the great king of Salem and the not-so-great king of Sodom and reiterate that Abram was blessed by God. This would've been the best spot to include this in.

So the king himself would not have been intended to be a mysterious figure to the ancient Israelites but part of their lore. It is only later that he is made legendary by Christians (and Jews).]]> <![CDATA[Adam's original company?]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66700.html Mon, 01 Jun 2026 22:08:00 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66700.html <![CDATA[Hello!]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66699.html Sat, 30 May 2026 10:57:11 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66699.html
I was raised southern baptist.

I am existentially distraught to see christofascism still alive and well, and the average person pretending that anyone is entitled to false (and therefore deadly) beliefs.

Innocent people are dying for the lies others tell. Lies protect lies. I am glad to see communities like this one standing up for life and the truth that defines us all.

I worked as a web developer after graduating from a Missouri university in 2014. I am currently unemployed and deeply concerned about the state of the world.

You can learn more about me by following the links in my signature. If you have anything you would like me to read, highlight, or respond to in a video, let me know. I enjoy video games, music, and more, if I enjoy anything at all. Often I don't; my life has never been worth living, I have been suicidal for as long as I can remember. I remain here in suffering only because I am too scared to end it.

My abusive christian parents are to blame, but they scapegoat me for their violent mistakes. They believe they are going to heaven for hitting children, for psychologically torturing me, my brothers, and more. They are still spreading the abuse, no one is stopping them.

I hope to escape the bible belt soon, but options are limited. I am unsure whether I will survive this year.

More lives are being lost for selfish, stupid hate every single day. Love is honest. Please defend truth at all costs. Thank you for reading.

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I was raised southern baptist.

I am existentially distraught to see christofascism still alive and well, and the average person pretending that anyone is entitled to false (and therefore deadly) beliefs.

Innocent people are dying for the lies others tell. Lies protect lies. I am glad to see communities like this one standing up for life and the truth that defines us all.

I worked as a web developer after graduating from a Missouri university in 2014. I am currently unemployed and deeply concerned about the state of the world.

You can learn more about me by following the links in my signature. If you have anything you would like me to read, highlight, or respond to in a video, let me know. I enjoy video games, music, and more, if I enjoy anything at all. Often I don't; my life has never been worth living, I have been suicidal for as long as I can remember. I remain here in suffering only because I am too scared to end it.

My abusive christian parents are to blame, but they scapegoat me for their violent mistakes. They believe they are going to heaven for hitting children, for psychologically torturing me, my brothers, and more. They are still spreading the abuse, no one is stopping them.

I hope to escape the bible belt soon, but options are limited. I am unsure whether I will survive this year.

More lives are being lost for selfish, stupid hate every single day. Love is honest. Please defend truth at all costs. Thank you for reading.

Administrator Notice
Link removed from signature due to our 30/30 rule and advertising rule.
]]> <![CDATA[Damned Billionaires]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66698.html Wed, 27 May 2026 21:38:51 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66698.html
Theists already call us the communists, so why not play along?

Quote:Zuckerberg’s superyacht lands in Seattle as Meta announces big local layoff

[Image: Yacht.jpg]

Hours after news of Meta’s 1,400 job cuts in King County broke Tuesday, CEO Mark Zuckerberg’s 390-foot megayacht quietly floated into Seattle.

The $300 million vessel called Launchpad wasn’t exactly greeted by a welcoming committee. GeekWire reports that the yacht drew crowds — and insults — as it traveled from Shilshole Bay through the Locks toward Lake Union.

The yacht, to put it lightly, is a behemoth. But you know what they say: The bigger a man’s yacht, the bigger his bank account.

Zuckerberg did not appear to be onboard, according to GeekWire. Private jet trackers show he’s possibly in Monterey, Calif. His Instagram shows him working out in a camouflage vest in an ominously dark gym that doesn’t scream “yacht vacation.”

While Meta is headquartered in Menlo Park, Calif., the company maintains a significant presence in the Seattle area, once boasting a local head count of 8,800 employees.

If that head count is still accurate, Meta laid off about 1 in 6 of its King County employees Tuesday. Those affected include 259 employees across two Seattle offices, 699 workers at a Bellevue office and 206 at a Redmond office, plus 231 remote workers statewide. Engineering and product manager roles were hit the hardest.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/zu...employees/

This costs $300,000,000. It costs $90,000 per day to operate. It comes with a support vessel to haul toys and a submarine that costs an additional $30,000,000. The helipad yacht that follows along costs another $100,000,000.]]>
Theists already call us the communists, so why not play along?

Quote:Zuckerberg’s superyacht lands in Seattle as Meta announces big local layoff

[Image: Yacht.jpg]

Hours after news of Meta’s 1,400 job cuts in King County broke Tuesday, CEO Mark Zuckerberg’s 390-foot megayacht quietly floated into Seattle.

The $300 million vessel called Launchpad wasn’t exactly greeted by a welcoming committee. GeekWire reports that the yacht drew crowds — and insults — as it traveled from Shilshole Bay through the Locks toward Lake Union.

The yacht, to put it lightly, is a behemoth. But you know what they say: The bigger a man’s yacht, the bigger his bank account.

Zuckerberg did not appear to be onboard, according to GeekWire. Private jet trackers show he’s possibly in Monterey, Calif. His Instagram shows him working out in a camouflage vest in an ominously dark gym that doesn’t scream “yacht vacation.”

While Meta is headquartered in Menlo Park, Calif., the company maintains a significant presence in the Seattle area, once boasting a local head count of 8,800 employees.

If that head count is still accurate, Meta laid off about 1 in 6 of its King County employees Tuesday. Those affected include 259 employees across two Seattle offices, 699 workers at a Bellevue office and 206 at a Redmond office, plus 231 remote workers statewide. Engineering and product manager roles were hit the hardest.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/zu...employees/

This costs $300,000,000. It costs $90,000 per day to operate. It comes with a support vessel to haul toys and a submarine that costs an additional $30,000,000. The helipad yacht that follows along costs another $100,000,000.]]> <![CDATA[A Basic Definition of Spirituality (of True Faith)]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66697.html Wed, 27 May 2026 02:17:11 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66697.html  


 
- So this is the feeling I usually get when I try to study this or that subject. Don’t get me wrong. I love spending time on learning interesting stuff. But the more you learn stuff, the more opposing ideas, different theories, and different approaches, more traditional vs. more modern approaches and/or ideas in the light of new observations there are. This is true for most science and/or disciplines. This doesn’t make anything less enjoyable or less profitable but that’s just the way it is.
 
Spirituality on the other hand is when someone give you a set of methods. If you can apply these methods in a correct manner, you get to know Knowledge itself.
 
And Intellect in general is described as a very sharp tool. That sharp tool is supposed to be subordinated to our true knowledge of our Inner Nature.
 
I’m not promoting anything but I find this approach especially useful to the more intellectual people of this world.
 
See: The Ignorant will usually come in masses. We may be quite strong and energetic individuals but scores of people (or groups of people) have lived a miserable life, unable to reach their goals simply because their timing wasn’t right (like the painter Vincent Van Gogh for instance).
 
So again: We might be bright individuals (like Aristotle) but we may be unaware of our limitations). Belief or awareness of some sort of higher intelligence (or Intelligence itself) might be very helpful. Especially in times when the chaos seems to prevail. Smile
 
- And this is the only type of spirituality that I know of. Dogmas and repetitive rituals are simply outdated. These new approaches on the other hand can be life-enhancing and sometimes even life-saving. Smile]]>  


 
- So this is the feeling I usually get when I try to study this or that subject. Don’t get me wrong. I love spending time on learning interesting stuff. But the more you learn stuff, the more opposing ideas, different theories, and different approaches, more traditional vs. more modern approaches and/or ideas in the light of new observations there are. This is true for most science and/or disciplines. This doesn’t make anything less enjoyable or less profitable but that’s just the way it is.
 
Spirituality on the other hand is when someone give you a set of methods. If you can apply these methods in a correct manner, you get to know Knowledge itself.
 
And Intellect in general is described as a very sharp tool. That sharp tool is supposed to be subordinated to our true knowledge of our Inner Nature.
 
I’m not promoting anything but I find this approach especially useful to the more intellectual people of this world.
 
See: The Ignorant will usually come in masses. We may be quite strong and energetic individuals but scores of people (or groups of people) have lived a miserable life, unable to reach their goals simply because their timing wasn’t right (like the painter Vincent Van Gogh for instance).
 
So again: We might be bright individuals (like Aristotle) but we may be unaware of our limitations). Belief or awareness of some sort of higher intelligence (or Intelligence itself) might be very helpful. Especially in times when the chaos seems to prevail. Smile
 
- And this is the only type of spirituality that I know of. Dogmas and repetitive rituals are simply outdated. These new approaches on the other hand can be life-enhancing and sometimes even life-saving. Smile]]> <![CDATA[The Possible (and Already Ongoing) US Intervention in Cuba]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66696.html Fri, 22 May 2026 22:35:17 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66696.html  
Today in 2026 we have a new chapter of US interventionism with a new head of the Republican Party who managed to become the US President for the second time.
 
So I think this is an issue worth discussing. I was still a teenager when 9/11 happened. I remember some of my friend saying things like “Let the US go there and destroy this backward Taliban regime. Only good can come out of this”. Others where more critical citing the illegality of this intervention and the fact that Oil was the main reason why G.W. Bush wanted this war with Iraq (despite the fact that Saddam had done absolutely nothing to support Al-Qaida).
 
And there is also the fact that Democracies are not some passive / elitist governance models reserved to some well off countries. I think democratic countries have the right and duty to promote democracy and freedom everywhere else in the world. But what does that mean exactly?
 
- Do we start kicking all the dictators? DO we intervene by air and then send ground troops? Do we sit on our backs and simply condemn horrific actions that were perpetrated by oppressive regimes? Do we send our spies to create popular uprisings? Can we impose economic blockades on them? Where does all of this lead us ultimately?
 
The answer to these questions can from a not so far away place for me. So I’m going to ask a rhetorical question. What if someone like D. Trump was re-elected again and started truly dismantling whatever is left of US democracy? And what if (let’s say) Canada and Mexico decided to ask jointly to restore democracy in the US and bring it back to democracy by force if necessary?
 
So let me answer to this from my own perspective: There are stuff happening in my country right now and these are not so positive changes (with my country ranking at the bottom of press freedoms etc.). I naturally do not want Russian, European or any type of other boots in my land or airplanes above my head I can testify to that.
 
So what would I want?
 
1) The recognition of the events that are happening in my country by foreign governments and organizations. That’s the most important thing. Today there was a statement by the Socialist International (a group that unites socialist + left wing parties all over the world). They are clearly denouncing the Turkish government’s unlawful and anti-democratic acts and that’s such an important thing for us here.
 
2) If things went really ugly (yes) we would expect support like the UK + the US supported resistance movements all over Europe against Hitler in WWII.
 
- Allies did not attack Hitler because he was “undemocratic” they attacked him because he was attacking them and everyone else.
 
+ During the first Gulf War, it was Saddam who attacked Kuwait thus getting UN resolutions that condemned his actions and giving the US an acceptable reason to attack him (to free Koweit from invasion).
 
So this is the debate. What does the term “Militant Democracy” mean to you and what are the limits to this “Militant Democracy” approach?]]>  
Today in 2026 we have a new chapter of US interventionism with a new head of the Republican Party who managed to become the US President for the second time.
 
So I think this is an issue worth discussing. I was still a teenager when 9/11 happened. I remember some of my friend saying things like “Let the US go there and destroy this backward Taliban regime. Only good can come out of this”. Others where more critical citing the illegality of this intervention and the fact that Oil was the main reason why G.W. Bush wanted this war with Iraq (despite the fact that Saddam had done absolutely nothing to support Al-Qaida).
 
And there is also the fact that Democracies are not some passive / elitist governance models reserved to some well off countries. I think democratic countries have the right and duty to promote democracy and freedom everywhere else in the world. But what does that mean exactly?
 
- Do we start kicking all the dictators? DO we intervene by air and then send ground troops? Do we sit on our backs and simply condemn horrific actions that were perpetrated by oppressive regimes? Do we send our spies to create popular uprisings? Can we impose economic blockades on them? Where does all of this lead us ultimately?
 
The answer to these questions can from a not so far away place for me. So I’m going to ask a rhetorical question. What if someone like D. Trump was re-elected again and started truly dismantling whatever is left of US democracy? And what if (let’s say) Canada and Mexico decided to ask jointly to restore democracy in the US and bring it back to democracy by force if necessary?
 
So let me answer to this from my own perspective: There are stuff happening in my country right now and these are not so positive changes (with my country ranking at the bottom of press freedoms etc.). I naturally do not want Russian, European or any type of other boots in my land or airplanes above my head I can testify to that.
 
So what would I want?
 
1) The recognition of the events that are happening in my country by foreign governments and organizations. That’s the most important thing. Today there was a statement by the Socialist International (a group that unites socialist + left wing parties all over the world). They are clearly denouncing the Turkish government’s unlawful and anti-democratic acts and that’s such an important thing for us here.
 
2) If things went really ugly (yes) we would expect support like the UK + the US supported resistance movements all over Europe against Hitler in WWII.
 
- Allies did not attack Hitler because he was “undemocratic” they attacked him because he was attacking them and everyone else.
 
+ During the first Gulf War, it was Saddam who attacked Kuwait thus getting UN resolutions that condemned his actions and giving the US an acceptable reason to attack him (to free Koweit from invasion).
 
So this is the debate. What does the term “Militant Democracy” mean to you and what are the limits to this “Militant Democracy” approach?]]> <![CDATA[Happy Birthday A. Secular Human]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66695.html Thu, 21 May 2026 17:16:18 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66695.html ]]> ]]> <![CDATA[Hello]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66694.html Thu, 21 May 2026 08:03:46 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66694.html
I've been lurking on these forums for a while but, for some reason, never thought of joining. However, I'm since I'm surrounded by devout theists on a daily basis (at work and at home), I've decided that joining these forums may be good for my sanity.

I was raised as a Pentecostal Christian but I am now an atheist doomed for the bowels of hell. I'm interested in sociology, philosophy, economics and enjoy reading science fiction, fantasy and historical fiction.]]>
I've been lurking on these forums for a while but, for some reason, never thought of joining. However, I'm since I'm surrounded by devout theists on a daily basis (at work and at home), I've decided that joining these forums may be good for my sanity.

I was raised as a Pentecostal Christian but I am now an atheist doomed for the bowels of hell. I'm interested in sociology, philosophy, economics and enjoy reading science fiction, fantasy and historical fiction.]]> <![CDATA[RIP Thumpalumpacus]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66693.html Thu, 21 May 2026 00:47:36 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66693.html
He was a wonderful contributor to this forum and will be missed.

Condolences to his family and friends.]]>
He was a wonderful contributor to this forum and will be missed.

Condolences to his family and friends.]]> <![CDATA[everything is made of and causal with consciousness that has always existed everywher]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66691.html Tue, 19 May 2026 20:31:20 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66691.html



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I am developing a new form of religion/government and I was wondering if you would share a few critical views of it;

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I am developing a new form of religion/government and I was wondering if you would share a few critical views of it;

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ty]]> <![CDATA[Happy birthday Deeese23!]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66688.html Mon, 18 May 2026 21:13:15 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66688.html ]]> ]]> <![CDATA[Since my transition.]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66687.html Sat, 16 May 2026 19:59:10 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66687.html
But today, I hit my jackpot. I have been hunting for a Jackie O style box dress with the faux pockets with buttons, and today I found one in the right size. So friggen happy.]]>
But today, I hit my jackpot. I have been hunting for a Jackie O style box dress with the faux pockets with buttons, and today I found one in the right size. So friggen happy.]]> <![CDATA[The last remaining evidence of atheistforums.com's existence, I think...]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66684.html Fri, 15 May 2026 00:36:36 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66684.html
I shutdown all my own internet forums and put them up for sale because I was tired of wasting my time, effort, and money on something that hardly anyone noticed—I might start making websites again if the desire ever returns as I still retained the skills learned from my experiences.

My own internet forums were the only places that hosted this last remaining screenshot of this community's existence, so now that those are gone, I'll just post it here.

Here ya go:

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RIP atheistforums.com

2003-2026


PS: I was a regular member on this site called "Nuclear." Isn't it strange that the only person preserving their history was a regular member. Not even the admins bothered archiving the website before it's eventual shutdown. Wow.]]>
I shutdown all my own internet forums and put them up for sale because I was tired of wasting my time, effort, and money on something that hardly anyone noticed—I might start making websites again if the desire ever returns as I still retained the skills learned from my experiences.

My own internet forums were the only places that hosted this last remaining screenshot of this community's existence, so now that those are gone, I'll just post it here.

Here ya go:

[Image: Using%20website%20on%20XP%20desktop%20(1...sized).png]

RIP atheistforums.com

2003-2026


PS: I was a regular member on this site called "Nuclear." Isn't it strange that the only person preserving their history was a regular member. Not even the admins bothered archiving the website before it's eventual shutdown. Wow.]]>