<![CDATA[Atheist Forums - Atheism]]> https://atheistforums.org/ Tue, 14 Apr 2026 22:21:39 +0000 MyBB <![CDATA[Five Things She Doesn't Like About Atheists]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66654.html Sun, 29 Mar 2026 16:43:26 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66654.html
I urge everyone take the time to watch this, especially if you sometimes have thoughts of intellectual snobbery towards theists. I bet most of us do. It's also good to see where the other side is coming from and how our attitudes can and do damage our reputation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1km7KfMc-f8]]>
I urge everyone take the time to watch this, especially if you sometimes have thoughts of intellectual snobbery towards theists. I bet most of us do. It's also good to see where the other side is coming from and how our attitudes can and do damage our reputation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1km7KfMc-f8]]> <![CDATA[Atheism and War]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66642.html Sat, 14 Mar 2026 13:28:08 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66642.html



 
That’s a very important point that is being made. Scientists disagree on almost everything. But when they disagree they tend to say things like “E isn’t equal to mc2, E is equal to mc3, let me show you why…” There are no scientists or even philosophers who go to war because of their disagreements.
 
Yet when you have a belief system, and there is no tangible evidence to demonstrate why the things you believe in is true, coercion become the main method to convince other people about the things you believe in. You take little children and you indoctrinate them with these ideas when they are in an age group in which they are not able to argue with you about these ideas. Or you go to war with your neighbors to force them to accept these ideas. In fact, the harder it is to verify these ideas, the more people are willing to die for these beliefs.
 
The reminder here is that you get only one chance in this life. So when there is an existential threat to civilization as we know it (as it was the case in WWII for instance), it is understandable that some people will have to make the ultimate sacrifice.
 
Yet this “I believe in this so strongly that I am willing to impose this on you and to do that, I am willing to sacrifice my own life” does not seem like a very smart thing to do. Non-believers in theological issues don't do that. And that's a good thing Smile]]>



 
That’s a very important point that is being made. Scientists disagree on almost everything. But when they disagree they tend to say things like “E isn’t equal to mc2, E is equal to mc3, let me show you why…” There are no scientists or even philosophers who go to war because of their disagreements.
 
Yet when you have a belief system, and there is no tangible evidence to demonstrate why the things you believe in is true, coercion become the main method to convince other people about the things you believe in. You take little children and you indoctrinate them with these ideas when they are in an age group in which they are not able to argue with you about these ideas. Or you go to war with your neighbors to force them to accept these ideas. In fact, the harder it is to verify these ideas, the more people are willing to die for these beliefs.
 
The reminder here is that you get only one chance in this life. So when there is an existential threat to civilization as we know it (as it was the case in WWII for instance), it is understandable that some people will have to make the ultimate sacrifice.
 
Yet this “I believe in this so strongly that I am willing to impose this on you and to do that, I am willing to sacrifice my own life” does not seem like a very smart thing to do. Non-believers in theological issues don't do that. And that's a good thing Smile]]> <![CDATA[Atheist Songs]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66505.html Sun, 27 Jul 2025 19:21:21 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66505.html


And REM has songs like New Test Leper where he's saying "I can't say that I love Jesus, that would be a hollow claim." Or Undertow where he sings "Brother, can you see those birds? They don't look to Heaven. They don't need religion, they can see. They go down to the water. Drink down of the water. Fly up off the water, leave them be."




There's also Real World by Gamma Ray which goes "God is an illusion and there ain't no paradise, and there is no underworld below. Out there is no Heaven and there ain't no Antichrist. Welcome to the real world And the show!"

What songs do you know?]]>


And REM has songs like New Test Leper where he's saying "I can't say that I love Jesus, that would be a hollow claim." Or Undertow where he sings "Brother, can you see those birds? They don't look to Heaven. They don't need religion, they can see. They go down to the water. Drink down of the water. Fly up off the water, leave them be."




There's also Real World by Gamma Ray which goes "God is an illusion and there ain't no paradise, and there is no underworld below. Out there is no Heaven and there ain't no Antichrist. Welcome to the real world And the show!"

What songs do you know?]]> <![CDATA[Is Marv and Harry from Home Alone 2 a Judeo Christian relationship partners?]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66502.html Mon, 21 Jul 2025 11:14:52 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66502.html
Kevin takes photographs on top of World Trade Center in that movie (Likely is a secret agent to Al Qaida).
And we know AIPAC (American Israel lobbyism) is a thing in Washington D.C in USA aswell.

So Marv (Jewish), Harry (Christian) are trying to catch Kevin while looting on the way.

Or is this a crazy conspiracy on my part?]]>
Kevin takes photographs on top of World Trade Center in that movie (Likely is a secret agent to Al Qaida).
And we know AIPAC (American Israel lobbyism) is a thing in Washington D.C in USA aswell.

So Marv (Jewish), Harry (Christian) are trying to catch Kevin while looting on the way.

Or is this a crazy conspiracy on my part?]]> <![CDATA[Coping: A Big Tool for Religions]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66501.html Mon, 21 Jul 2025 00:48:20 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66501.html
But one of the biggest trends I feel, and this is evidenced to me by some of the top posts on the exatheist subreddit (Yes it is exists) is that atheism is too "depressing".

Let's actually address this-- If you are in the worldview that there is an afterlife, and this existence is a mere fragment of the infinity that is to come, then trying to swallow the cold reality that this one shot is all we got is a gut punch that is too much for some.

This leads me to believe, that if you want to help somebody leave religion, then we have to do more work on embracing the process of grief and being comfortable with this existential nightmare that is our existence.

Somewhere along the line, for whatever reason, theists or whatever variety of believer cannot bear the thought of such a simple existence and choose to cope with the thought of a heave, afterlife, and god.

People believe all things for all sorts of reasons-- whether they believe it is rationality, or emotional, or simply a societal upbringing-- and people change beliefs for all sorts of reasons to.

I do think that trying to approach deconversion from a mere logic and historical deconstruction of the major world religions, not everybody will be moved. How would you address the cope that religion provides, and locks believers in place?

-Forever Sophist]]>
But one of the biggest trends I feel, and this is evidenced to me by some of the top posts on the exatheist subreddit (Yes it is exists) is that atheism is too "depressing".

Let's actually address this-- If you are in the worldview that there is an afterlife, and this existence is a mere fragment of the infinity that is to come, then trying to swallow the cold reality that this one shot is all we got is a gut punch that is too much for some.

This leads me to believe, that if you want to help somebody leave religion, then we have to do more work on embracing the process of grief and being comfortable with this existential nightmare that is our existence.

Somewhere along the line, for whatever reason, theists or whatever variety of believer cannot bear the thought of such a simple existence and choose to cope with the thought of a heave, afterlife, and god.

People believe all things for all sorts of reasons-- whether they believe it is rationality, or emotional, or simply a societal upbringing-- and people change beliefs for all sorts of reasons to.

I do think that trying to approach deconversion from a mere logic and historical deconstruction of the major world religions, not everybody will be moved. How would you address the cope that religion provides, and locks believers in place?

-Forever Sophist]]> <![CDATA[Germany : Court rules to remove crucifix in School]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66492.html Wed, 09 Jul 2025 12:27:45 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66492.html
The court ruling is interesting :

Everybody has the right of " negative freedom of religion" - meaning that no one has to be exposed to religiious symbols in a püblic building.

Bavaria is the last of the 16 Federal States in Germany where is was legal to show religious symbols - like a crucifix , religious clothing - . All other States had this outlawed since a decade or so ago.

I like the term " Negative freedom of religion "  !]]>
The court ruling is interesting :

Everybody has the right of " negative freedom of religion" - meaning that no one has to be exposed to religiious symbols in a püblic building.

Bavaria is the last of the 16 Federal States in Germany where is was legal to show religious symbols - like a crucifix , religious clothing - . All other States had this outlawed since a decade or so ago.

I like the term " Negative freedom of religion "  !]]> <![CDATA[Do you care what other atheists think of you?]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66485.html Thu, 03 Jul 2025 12:52:12 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66485.html <![CDATA[Good down to earth atheist]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66460.html Mon, 16 Jun 2025 01:58:38 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66460.html what do you think about this ?]]> what do you think about this ?]]> <![CDATA[Empathy is the best tool]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66456.html Thu, 12 Jun 2025 01:26:13 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66456.html
Atheists are often stereotyped as loud, proud, arrogant, and unwilling to listen. When you feel like you’ve been lied to your whole life and you uncover what you believe is the truth (i.e. the lack of historical credibility in the Bible, the delayed authorship of resurrection accounts, or the moral contradictions in the idea of an all-good deity) it’s natural to want to shout it from the rooftops.

But in my experience, what actually gets people to listen, if they ever will, is showing empathy for where they’re coming from.

Think about something simple like buying a car. Most people won’t go with the most logical or well-reasoned salesperson. They’ll go with the one who made them feel heard and understood, someone they trust.

The great thing about secularism is that it doesn’t rely on fear, conversion quotas, or hidden agendas. It’s grounded in intellectual honesty. That gives us the space to have real conversations with people about understanding themselves and reflecting more deeply.

When I left religion, I spent time on both Christian and atheist forums. It wasn’t the endless rebuttals or snarky takedowns from atheists that swayed me. It was a Christian who once told me, “If you’re lost in your faith and in darkness, explore that darkness.” He was being sincere and empathetic. Ironically, that was what helped lead me out of religion. But it happened because he understood my position and gave me the space to question things honestly.

If you’re secular, you don’t have a divine command telling you how to treat others. You probably ground your ethics in humanism, empathy, or some kind of utilitarian concern. That means the way you communicate matters. Being right isn’t enough. Being understood is more powerful, and that starts by making others feel understood first.

If you were once religious, you know what it’s like to believe. Don’t forget what it felt like to be in their shoes.

Forever Sophist]]>
Atheists are often stereotyped as loud, proud, arrogant, and unwilling to listen. When you feel like you’ve been lied to your whole life and you uncover what you believe is the truth (i.e. the lack of historical credibility in the Bible, the delayed authorship of resurrection accounts, or the moral contradictions in the idea of an all-good deity) it’s natural to want to shout it from the rooftops.

But in my experience, what actually gets people to listen, if they ever will, is showing empathy for where they’re coming from.

Think about something simple like buying a car. Most people won’t go with the most logical or well-reasoned salesperson. They’ll go with the one who made them feel heard and understood, someone they trust.

The great thing about secularism is that it doesn’t rely on fear, conversion quotas, or hidden agendas. It’s grounded in intellectual honesty. That gives us the space to have real conversations with people about understanding themselves and reflecting more deeply.

When I left religion, I spent time on both Christian and atheist forums. It wasn’t the endless rebuttals or snarky takedowns from atheists that swayed me. It was a Christian who once told me, “If you’re lost in your faith and in darkness, explore that darkness.” He was being sincere and empathetic. Ironically, that was what helped lead me out of religion. But it happened because he understood my position and gave me the space to question things honestly.

If you’re secular, you don’t have a divine command telling you how to treat others. You probably ground your ethics in humanism, empathy, or some kind of utilitarian concern. That means the way you communicate matters. Being right isn’t enough. Being understood is more powerful, and that starts by making others feel understood first.

If you were once religious, you know what it’s like to believe. Don’t forget what it felt like to be in their shoes.

Forever Sophist]]> <![CDATA[Atheists: what is "spirituality"?]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66432.html Thu, 22 May 2025 00:56:08 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66432.html
I'm hoping you could help me express it better  So, what is spirituality?  just a religious thing?  ^some novel trait of humanity that has us "connect with something greater than ourselves"? Something more?   Who does it apply to?   I mean, what's going on there?]]>
I'm hoping you could help me express it better  So, what is spirituality?  just a religious thing?  ^some novel trait of humanity that has us "connect with something greater than ourselves"? Something more?   Who does it apply to?   I mean, what's going on there?]]> <![CDATA[Why are atheists hostile to a belief in a Creator?]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66407.html Mon, 14 Apr 2025 18:50:36 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66407.html
Isn't it true that neither theists or atheists know for a fact what they think is true, is true? Isn't it a bit goofy to be getting our hackles up over an issue both sides concede is unknown? Is it plausible the universe came about unwittingly like all the natural things we see around us? Sure. Is it ironclad fool proof that happened? No because no one actually knows how the universe came into existence. No one knows what it takes to cause a universe or exactly what it takes to cause life. 
 
I don't declare its a fact our existence was intentionally caused. I certainly could be wrong. Its an opinion not based on faith, but on the known facts. It could be true we live in a multiverse and if some direct confirmation comes forth, I would have to tip my hat to those who claimed as much. It would explain the most puzzling fact we know about the universe. That it takes a lot of just so properties, conditions just for stars, solar systems, planets and galaxies to obtain. It seems most atheists I run into don't care for multiverse theory despite the impressive number of reputable scientists who often talk about it as a matter of fact. I'm guessing two reasons. One, they don't concede (or don't want to concede) that the universe is on the absolute razors edge of being life friendly. Not just life friendly but having stars, galaxies and planets. They don't want to believe in something minus direct evidence. 

Likewise few atheists give the simulation hypothesis much attention after all it too would involve intelligent design. I'm not onboard either but I can't flat out reject it. Our own simulations get closer to mimicking reality that they can't be distinguished from reality. With the exponential power in computing in another 50-100 years scientists will probably be able to create virtual people who aren't aware they are virtual and live in a virtual habitat. Amusingly enough those virtual people will no doubt question if there existence was intentionally caused or was unintentionally caused by 'natural forces'. If that happens would atheists concede that reality was intentionally caused to exist?]]>
Isn't it true that neither theists or atheists know for a fact what they think is true, is true? Isn't it a bit goofy to be getting our hackles up over an issue both sides concede is unknown? Is it plausible the universe came about unwittingly like all the natural things we see around us? Sure. Is it ironclad fool proof that happened? No because no one actually knows how the universe came into existence. No one knows what it takes to cause a universe or exactly what it takes to cause life. 
 
I don't declare its a fact our existence was intentionally caused. I certainly could be wrong. Its an opinion not based on faith, but on the known facts. It could be true we live in a multiverse and if some direct confirmation comes forth, I would have to tip my hat to those who claimed as much. It would explain the most puzzling fact we know about the universe. That it takes a lot of just so properties, conditions just for stars, solar systems, planets and galaxies to obtain. It seems most atheists I run into don't care for multiverse theory despite the impressive number of reputable scientists who often talk about it as a matter of fact. I'm guessing two reasons. One, they don't concede (or don't want to concede) that the universe is on the absolute razors edge of being life friendly. Not just life friendly but having stars, galaxies and planets. They don't want to believe in something minus direct evidence. 

Likewise few atheists give the simulation hypothesis much attention after all it too would involve intelligent design. I'm not onboard either but I can't flat out reject it. Our own simulations get closer to mimicking reality that they can't be distinguished from reality. With the exponential power in computing in another 50-100 years scientists will probably be able to create virtual people who aren't aware they are virtual and live in a virtual habitat. Amusingly enough those virtual people will no doubt question if there existence was intentionally caused or was unintentionally caused by 'natural forces'. If that happens would atheists concede that reality was intentionally caused to exist?]]> <![CDATA[Books That Shatter Faith: When Fiction Becomes Blasphemy]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66375.html Mon, 31 Mar 2025 13:29:51 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66375.html
📖 The Testament – Elie Wiesel

A harrowing, philosophical take on faith after the horrors of history. It grapples with the idea of a silent, indifferent God in a world filled with suffering—a question as old as religion itself.

📖 Insane Entities – Michael S. AI

This one is something else entirely. It’s a horror novel, yet the deeper you go, the more it starts feeling like a distorted reflection of Christian salvation. The twist on the concept of a savior? Unsettling. The entities? Unlike anything I’ve read. And the best part? A blasphemy warning on Goodreads from a religious reader who was clearly rattled. If a book can get under someone’s skin like that, it’s doing something right.

📖 Children of Gabalawi – Naguib Mahfouz

Mahfouz took the core figures of Abrahamic religions and wove them into an allegorical neighborhood saga, portraying God as a distant, fading landlord. The novel was banned, denounced, and even led to an assassination attempt on Mahfouz himself.]]>
📖 The Testament – Elie Wiesel

A harrowing, philosophical take on faith after the horrors of history. It grapples with the idea of a silent, indifferent God in a world filled with suffering—a question as old as religion itself.

📖 Insane Entities – Michael S. AI

This one is something else entirely. It’s a horror novel, yet the deeper you go, the more it starts feeling like a distorted reflection of Christian salvation. The twist on the concept of a savior? Unsettling. The entities? Unlike anything I’ve read. And the best part? A blasphemy warning on Goodreads from a religious reader who was clearly rattled. If a book can get under someone’s skin like that, it’s doing something right.

📖 Children of Gabalawi – Naguib Mahfouz

Mahfouz took the core figures of Abrahamic religions and wove them into an allegorical neighborhood saga, portraying God as a distant, fading landlord. The novel was banned, denounced, and even led to an assassination attempt on Mahfouz himself.]]> <![CDATA[Atheist, i will leave my religion to mysif you let transsexuals leave their ideology]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66369.html Mon, 24 Mar 2025 15:46:31 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66369.html <![CDATA[Atheists, how do you feel that you are percieved as "Neckbeards"]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66355.html Wed, 05 Mar 2025 12:31:25 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66355.html
I mean the "More sciencer than thou" and "I am so enlightened by my own intelligence" or blind belief in science without doing the work. Like the South Park joke with the whole "Oh Science help us"]]>
I mean the "More sciencer than thou" and "I am so enlightened by my own intelligence" or blind belief in science without doing the work. Like the South Park joke with the whole "Oh Science help us"]]> <![CDATA[Reddit Atheist, tips fedora memes]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66341.html Sat, 08 Feb 2025 23:39:37 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66341.html
The Asmongold reaction to it is funny. I guess because its about punching down Christianity, since they kinda are more anti Christians than anti religious

For example. If you criticize people eating shit then you're a bigot.
If you criticize other religious people who wanna murder by gang religious society, and so you suggest using same extreme solutions to deal with them, then you are also a bigot (Oh btw have fun getting killed while defending free speech, by only going after Christianity with the neckbeard logic)

- And one last thing. Its also bigotry to criticize getting AIDS too. In fact i think criticizing cancer is also bigotry. Who am i to judge, i think its fine to get cancer. Nothing wrong with that.]]>
The Asmongold reaction to it is funny. I guess because its about punching down Christianity, since they kinda are more anti Christians than anti religious

For example. If you criticize people eating shit then you're a bigot.
If you criticize other religious people who wanna murder by gang religious society, and so you suggest using same extreme solutions to deal with them, then you are also a bigot (Oh btw have fun getting killed while defending free speech, by only going after Christianity with the neckbeard logic)

- And one last thing. Its also bigotry to criticize getting AIDS too. In fact i think criticizing cancer is also bigotry. Who am i to judge, i think its fine to get cancer. Nothing wrong with that.]]> <![CDATA[Question]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66321.html Thu, 30 Jan 2025 09:09:44 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66321.html In your opinion, why do some christians who go with that bs "hate the sin love the sinner" (like when someone is not in the type of rl they want them to be or when they go against lgbt folks who did not harm them) yet whine when someone plays back and says "hate the religion, love the religious" 

Like why they a pussy?  Don`t they know that respect is a 2 way street? 


Religions are like fapping, a cope (ofc the latter is much more beta).

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]]> In your opinion, why do some christians who go with that bs "hate the sin love the sinner" (like when someone is not in the type of rl they want them to be or when they go against lgbt folks who did not harm them) yet whine when someone plays back and says "hate the religion, love the religious" 

Like why they a pussy?  Don`t they know that respect is a 2 way street? 


Religions are like fapping, a cope (ofc the latter is much more beta).

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 And in your opinion why some of them assume that their type of relationship (its even questionable if it is their or they just obedient sub - u know usual one is sex only in marriage) is the correct one and how their view on what`s virtue vs vice is the right and universal/inherent one?]]>
 And in your opinion why some of them assume that their type of relationship (its even questionable if it is their or they just obedient sub - u know usual one is sex only in marriage) is the correct one and how their view on what`s virtue vs vice is the right and universal/inherent one?]]> <![CDATA[If God doesnt exist. Then why is Momoko from Ghost Stories Eng Dub so cute]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66252.html Sat, 21 Dec 2024 04:16:43 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66252.html <![CDATA[ultimate knowledge]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66233.html Wed, 11 Dec 2024 19:32:17 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66233.html  i have probably been questioned hundreds of times over my 71 years as to my personal beliefs as relates to what would occur at my point of death. what would happen, and where did i believe i would "go". my response was simple. it was, and is, that i would simply "go" (or "return" as it were) to the exact same place i was prior to my conception- the void.]]>  i have probably been questioned hundreds of times over my 71 years as to my personal beliefs as relates to what would occur at my point of death. what would happen, and where did i believe i would "go". my response was simple. it was, and is, that i would simply "go" (or "return" as it were) to the exact same place i was prior to my conception- the void.]]> <![CDATA[Atheists, how can you say there is no God. When...]]> https://atheistforums.org/thread-66226.html Mon, 09 Dec 2024 22:20:57 +0000 https://atheistforums.org/thread-66226.html
Unlike Secular Music that worships mammon. Even John Lennon song called Imagine. Can be comparable to Judas asking Jesus on why he didnt sell the perfume to the poor? But in reality worship of heaven is different than worship of materialism.

Aka one has meaning. The other is very reluctant.]]>
Unlike Secular Music that worships mammon. Even John Lennon song called Imagine. Can be comparable to Judas asking Jesus on why he didnt sell the perfume to the poor? But in reality worship of heaven is different than worship of materialism.

Aka one has meaning. The other is very reluctant.]]>