Life Is Short; Have an Affair

[Catholic_Lady]

Um...no, it's not, it's pretty cut and dry.  Repressive environments show strong correlation with sex offense.  You keep telling us that we need a psychs opinion.....well.......what do you think that is?  You think I'm referring to -my- repeated observations?  Knock knock..anyone home?

I can ask the question as many ways and as many times as you can evade it, you realize.

So, has Josh's and/or his family's psychologists come out and said "this is a repressive environment and is the cause for Josh here having molested his sisters and been unfaithful to his wife." 

No?

Ok. Well then sorry if I find it inappropriate to make that judgement about someone else's family.

[The Grand Nudger]

It matters very little whether or not anyone's personal psych deigns to offer that comment.  Whether the environment is repressive is a bit more than a matter of a single persons opinion, and whats this nonsense about a cause?

 So, can I take your response to be an objection to the notion that the environment was repressive?

[thesummerqueen]

Cath, it really, really sounds like you just don't want to have anyone blame the repressive sects of Christianity for the things that grow out of them.

While liberal Christianity of any sort may produce relatively normal, healthy children and adults, fundamentalism doesn't. Not unless they escape. You see the stories time and again, and you hear them straight from the horse's mouth. They're abusive and degrading, specifically structured so that those who are in power and misuse it don't actually get in trouble.

[Catholic_Lady]

Cath, it really, really sounds like you just don't want to have anyone blame the repressive sects of Christianity for the things that grow out of them.

While liberal Christianity of any sort may produce relatively normal, healthy children and adults, fundamentalism doesn't. Not unless they escape. You see the stories time and again, and you hear them straight from the horse's mouth. They're abusive and degrading, specifically structured so that those who are in power and misuse it don't actually get in trouble.

As I have already said to Rhythm, this assumption about me is incorrect. And I wish people here would stop assuming that. After all, I'm not sitting here and blaming you guys for being so judgmental on them because they are Christian, so I would appreciate not being accused of being non judgmental of them because they are. 

While I was brought up with and agree with the same morals regarding sex (that it's a precious, beautiful thing and should be reserved for marriage) I don't believe in the strictness of the life style of the Duggars, was not brought up with those same rules, and don't plan on raising my children that way. Rhythm was right about one thing, and that's that I have no dog in this fight. I just find it ridiculous that you guys are so quick to say it was Josh's parent's upbringing that caused him to molest his sisters and cheat on his wife. This is an extremely incriminating thing to say.  

So please, it has nothing to do with the simple fact that they are Christian. I still can't believe that saying something so basic like "we shouldn't make such incriminating judgement about this family unless we are their psychologist" is so controversial around here, but perhaps I shouldn't be surprised at anything anymore.   

I'm not saying stories like the ones you refer to don't exist, and trust me, if the Duggar children, or their psychologist, or someone who's actually an insider of the whole thing came out and said the Duggar's was a house of degradation and abuse, I'd have no reason not to believe it. But until then, I don't think it is right for an outsider to assume and then accuse. The rest of the 18 children, and the parent's themselves, seem like perfectly decent people, and there is no reason to be so sure that Josh's actions was the fruit of the life style he was raised in, and to proceed to throw around such serious accusation.

[The Grand Nudger]

Were you actually brought up in the same environment.....clearly not, so whatever superficial similarity you see....I don't think it's the operative bit. As mentioned, many times, no ones -blaming- mommy and daddy, and I;m pretty sure that I;ve also accepted that he might have simply been inclined to do this regardless, we're recognizing that they made their contribution, and that this outcome is non-random, that this sort of environment encourages the outcome. Their weirdness is christian weirdness only insomuch as they insist it to be, but had the environment been created to please vishnu....I'd be similarly unsurprised if the outcome was similar...as would the mental health profession in general.

[thesummerqueen]

Were you actually brought up in the same environment.....clearly not, so whatever superficial similarity you see....I don't think it's the operative bit. As mentioned, many times, no ones -blaming- mommy and daddy, and I;m pretty sure that I;ve also accepted that he might have simply been inclined to do this regardless, we're recognizing that they made their contribution, and that this outcome is non-random, that this sort of environment encourages the outcome. Their weirdness is christian weirdness only insomuch as they insist it to be, but had the environment been created to please vishnu....I'd be similarly unsurprised if the outcome was similar...as would the mental health profession in general.

I'm blaming mommy and daddy.

And no, I'm not making assumptions out of the blue, Cath: I said it sounds like

And I'd be just as judgmental if the religion were fundamental Judaism. Maybe more, since those hat-wearing fucks like to ride the coattails of secular Judaism for the credit while abusing women and children behind closed doors.

Repressive religious environments have had a host of studies placed on them correlating to bad behaviors.

[CapnAwesome]

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[rexbeccarox]

On a lighter note, it turns out that there were virtually no real women on the Ashley Madison site: http://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-the-wo...1725558944

This is even better for my story: the ex was probably cheating on me with a bot!

[Catholic_Lady]

On a lighter note, it turns out that there were virtually no real women on the Ashley Madison site: http://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-the-wo...1725558944

This is even better for my story: the ex was probably cheating on me with a bot!

What I don't understand is how they can do a money back guarantee for no affairs in 3 months if there aren't any women on there to have affairs with.

[Jackalope]

This is even better for my story: the ex was probably cheating on me with a bot!

What I don't understand is how they can do a money back guarantee for no affairs in 3 months if there aren't any women on there to have affairs with.

According to reports and their terms of service, refunds are issued by mailing a check from "Ashley Madison" to your home address. They also only refunded subscription fees, not all the other stuff they apparently charged for.

Not to mention, there was undoubtedly some small percentage of customers who succeeded. Between them and the people who didn't want checks from AM showing up in the mail, there seems to be plenty of skin in the game.