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Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
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#191
RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 17, 2016 at 4:58 pm
The key with word being "if".
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#192
RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 17, 2016 at 7:39 pm
(June 17, 2016 at 4:10 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote:
(June 17, 2016 at 10:00 am)Thomas Kelly252525 Wrote: Veritas Vincit, you may look at my answers above.

--Again, why would a perfect being (and god is perfect per christian doctrine) allow his divine word to be tampered with?--

The thinking is that in order for humans to grow mentally/spiritually they must learn how to protect themselves and others from evil, so God doesn't intervene every time evil happens including The Bible being corrupted.  It's the only way for people to reach their potential. 

You may think of it as intervention through nonintervention.

The thinking is that God has arranged for the necessary things like food, water, clothing and so on, so not completely abandoned us.  If we choose to do good we grow mentally/spiritually.

You've brought up this "tampered with the word of god nonsense" a number* of times now, but have failed to give any kind of a response to my query every time I ask it of you. It is very relevant to what you are trying to establish.

Hopefully what I put above was some help to you.

--*I was going to use "couple" here, but then I realised that the Irish interpretation of couple is pretty unique.--

Acknowledged.

Constable Dorfl, you may look at my answers above.
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#193
RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 17, 2016 at 8:04 pm
(June 15, 2016 at 8:57 pm)Losty Wrote:
(June 15, 2016 at 8:55 pm)Thomas Kelly252525 Wrote: Isn't the story that Jesus rose from the dead to live forever ?

How is that relevant. For one, I don't believe any of that crap. Secondly, the bible was written long after this happened. None of those people thought we would love forever. They had no excuse to stand around and watch as he was killed.

Would you have try to beat back Roman soldiers to save every judicially condamned criminal?

If not, why Jesus?
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#194
RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 17, 2016 at 8:10 pm
(June 15, 2016 at 9:22 pm)Rhythm Wrote:
(June 15, 2016 at 9:12 pm)Thomas Kelly252525 Wrote: Do you think in the story Jesus didn't choose to die ?

It's nice that we at least try to help suicidal people now, don't you think?

He wasn't being murdered, he wasn't strictly suicidal. He was being executed.
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#195
RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 17, 2016 at 8:11 pm
(June 17, 2016 at 8:10 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: He wasn't being murdered, he wasn't strictly suicidal.  He was being executed.

Have you forgotten the bible?

Jesus actually had a conversation with his father, asking if it was absolutely necessary that the execution take place.

Jesus consented after the conversation.
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 17, 2016 at 8:17 pm (This post was last modified: June 17, 2016 at 8:23 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 17, 2016 at 4:44 pm)Drich Wrote: In for a penny in for a pound got to respect someone who is willing to follow their 'moral' relativism to hell if that's where it takes them.
.............now if only you would follow your objective morality to the same place.   


As it so happens, it's one of the moral dilemmas presented by the thought experiment as it relates to christians. If a christian doesn't help they will have betrayed their objective moral value system but can be redeemed. If they help, they will be consigned to hell by default...for conforming to their objective moral value system.
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 17, 2016 at 9:31 pm
Maelstrom Wrote:
Anomalocaris Wrote:He wasn't being murdered, he wasn't strictly suicidal.  He was being executed.

Have you forgotten the bible?

Jesus actually had a conversation with his father, asking if it was absolutely necessary that the execution take place.

Jesus consented after the conversation.

And if you ran into Jesus as he is being judicially executed, you would know this how?
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 17, 2016 at 9:50 pm (This post was last modified: June 17, 2016 at 9:51 pm by IATIA.)
If jesus is god, then he should have known exactly what was to happen and could have diverted the scenario at anytime and still keep on preaching.

The execution was the goal. Intentional and with forethought.
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 17, 2016 at 9:52 pm
(June 17, 2016 at 9:31 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: And if you ran into Jesus as he is being judicially executed, you would know this how?

I guess you're another theistic factor, you have not read the bible.

Not surprising.
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RE: Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?
June 17, 2016 at 10:05 pm
(June 17, 2016 at 9:31 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
Maelstrom Wrote:Have you forgotten the bible?

Jesus actually had a conversation with his father, asking if it was absolutely necessary that the execution take place.

Jesus consented after the conversation.

And if you ran into Jesus as he is being judicially executed, you would know this how?
Well jesus did commit suicide by cop....
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