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What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity


"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
(July 29, 2023 at 2:54 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(July 29, 2023 at 1:07 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: You must, however, from this adduce that morals change over time, as you tacitly admit here.

Or you might simply say that you support Biblical slavery and be honest about it.

You cannot, however, argue that the Bible is inerrant and argue that slavery is wrong -- unless you admit that morality is relative and/or subjective, or put shortly, not absolute.

This is the Christian conundrum, and on more issues than slavery. Morality is both relative and subjective, but you cannot acknowledge that without undermining your own god's alleged moral authority.

I do not support any kind of slavery. 

I have never argued that the Bible is inerrant. 

I do not know if morality is relative and subjective, or if it is real but that our understanding of it develops over time. 

I have never made any claims regarding any god's moral authority.

I'm sorry; I had thought you were Christian. Apologies for the error.

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RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
Extreme Nationalism including Racism has caused the world to suffer so much. A Return to Christ's Universal Love or at least Universal Respect for Inalienable Human Rights is necessary. That includes us doing everything possible to work toward the Abolition/End of Poverty/Hunger in our time, say by 2030 or 2050.
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(July 29, 2023 at 8:15 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Extreme Nationalism including Racism has caused the world to suffer so much. A Return to Christ's Universal Love or at least Universal Respect for Inalienable Human Rights is necessary. That includes us doing everything possible to work toward the Abolition/End of Poverty/Hunger in our time, say by 2030 or 2050.

You do realize that extreme nationalists identify as christain, right? Seems it's your fellow soldiers of christ you need to be condemning for their anti-christ behavior.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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Back to Darwin: https://evolutionnews.org/2022/02/the-ra...darwinism/

Quote:In 1881, toward the end of his life, Charles Darwin wrote to a colleague that the “more civilised so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilised races throughout the world.”1 This was not just some offhand comment unrelated to Darwin’s science. It reflected important elements of his theory of human evolution. Indeed, he articulated this same principle in his scientific study of human evolution, The Descent of Man (1871), where he claimed, “At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races.”2 Not only racism, but racial extermination was an integral feature of Darwin’s theory from the start.

This is a position that has been articulated by many historians of science.3 Two prominent historians specializing in the history of Darwinism, Adrian Desmond and James Moore, mince no words about the racism inherent in Darwin’s theory. In their magisterial biography of Darwin, they state, “‘Social Darwinism’ is often taken to be something extraneous, an ugly concretion added to the pure Darwinian corpus after the event, tarnishing Darwin’s image. But his notebooks make plain that competition, free trade, imperialism, racial extermination, and sexual inequality were written into the equation from the start — ‘Darwinism’ was always intended to explain human society.”4

Gee, thanks, Darwin, where would we ever be without you? </sarcasm>
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(July 29, 2023 at 8:18 am)Tomato Wrote:
(July 29, 2023 at 8:15 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Extreme Nationalism including Racism has caused the world to suffer so much. A Return to Christ's Universal Love or at least Universal Respect for Inalienable Human Rights is necessary. That includes us doing everything possible to work toward the Abolition/End of Poverty/Hunger in our time, say by 2030 or 2050.

You do realize that extreme nationalists identify as christain, right? Seems it's your fellow soldiers of christ you need to be condemning for their anti-christ behavior.

I condemn any extreme nationalists that promote any kind of racial or religious hatred for any one of any color or race or language or caste or creed or ethnicity. All hatred is wrong and all men and women are bound to love one another and live in peace and love. That is the Doctrine of Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace.
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Then there's this Gem: "the idea that non-European races were somehow closer to non-human animals than their European counterparts.11"

Wow. So this is what Racist Darwinist Evolution was all about. Africans and other "lower races" are allegedly closer to non-human animals than to Europeans.
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(July 29, 2023 at 7:28 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Compare him to both Devout British Christians like Missionary to Africa

The Christian creationists tortured people in Africa by hunting them, forcefully baptizing them, giving them Christian names, and selling them into slavery. And Darwin was against slavery.

Even in the 20th century The Christian National Education system, formalized in 1948 and accepted as national policy from 1967 to 1993, stated, among other things, that white children should “receive a separate education from black children to prepare them for their respective superior and inferior positions in South African social and economic life, and all education should be based on Christian National principles.” (Esterhuysen and Smith 1998)

But you do not care about that because you don't care about human beings.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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If god doesn't need you to fabricate, distort, or deceive, on it's part, why do you continue to do so?

Also, if your wish granting magic sky pixie knows all there is to know, why is it so voraciously shortsighted?


If christiboi's sky pixie is so true, why did it take so long to reveal itself?

Why was there no mention of jebus h, in any of the ancient Greek tales? Or the tales of the ancient Romans?
The Aztecs?
The Mayans?
The Incas?

Hinduism is the oldest still practiced religion, it predates the godiboi of yours by a few thousand years, still no mention of your savior.

Why is that?


Still waiting for your dizzying intellect to dazzle me.
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I condemn Jim Crow also. I venerate as saintly or good and worthy of emulation the Good Men who fought Racism and Segregation, both Catholic Christians, Evangelical Christians and Non Christians. You should remember that maxim, "while Black People couldn't yet sit on a Bus (In America, that is), the Catholic Church had already made them Cardinals". Nelson Mandela said: " I am very grateful to the Catholic Church. When black people couldn't even get on a bus, the Catholic Church made them bishops and cardinals” The Catholic Church is a Universal Church, you Silly Militant Atheist.

See Indian Catholic Sachin Jose on Twitter who has some 100K+followers and writes for Shalom World cite it here, along with a Wonderful Picture of a White Man kneeling before Black Cardinal: https://twitter.com/Sachinettiyil/status...1253877760
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