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RE: Christian for helping others
October 29, 2008 at 7:53 am
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(October 28, 2008 at 8:44 pm)Teen4Jesus Wrote: You all keep asking for "scientific proof" for God, but you don't realize that all EXISTENCE is evidence of God! This is absurd, you've gotta provide proper evidence first if you want us to listen to your claims. Its absurd, how can you know any of this? Especially considering you have no proper evidence.
Evidence please.
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RE: Christian for helping others
October 29, 2008 at 2:29 pm
(October 29, 2008 at 7:53 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: (October 28, 2008 at 8:44 pm)Teen4Jesus Wrote: You all keep asking for "scientific proof" for God, but you don't realize that all EXISTENCE is evidence of God! how can you know any of this?
you ask a lot of questions for someone with "scientific proof"
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RE: Christian for helping others
October 29, 2008 at 2:41 pm
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(October 29, 2008 at 2:29 pm)Mikethechristian Wrote: (October 29, 2008 at 7:53 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: (October 28, 2008 at 8:44 pm)Teen4Jesus Wrote: You all keep asking for "scientific proof" for God, but you don't realize that all EXISTENCE is evidence of God! how can you know any of this?
you ask a lot of questions for someone with "scientific proof" Science is about asking questions...and scientific proof is De Facto proved in a scientific sense. Not absolute sense. You however, can't provide me any evidence. Or can you? Ok, if you can, please do.
Evidence please.
P.S: The question of mine that you quoted was rhetorical, I don't think he can know what he says he knows, but the point is, he doesn't seem to understand that.
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RE: Christian for helping others
October 29, 2008 at 4:18 pm
(October 29, 2008 at 2:29 pm)Mikethechristian Wrote: (October 29, 2008 at 7:53 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: (October 28, 2008 at 8:44 pm)Teen4Jesus Wrote: You all keep asking for "scientific proof" for God, but you don't realize that all EXISTENCE is evidence of God! how can you know any of this?
you ask a lot of questions for someone with "scientific proof"
hey Mike you christ head, you don't like questions do you? Thats why you,ve put me on your ignore messages list cause I asked you one!
Says a lot.
A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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RE: Christian for helping others
October 30, 2008 at 12:03 am
Here's a question for you Christian Mike: "What if there were no hypothetical questions?" - George Carlin.
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RE: Christian for helping others
October 30, 2008 at 5:20 am
You always seem to ask for proof but when I supply proof, as a witness of events that prove there is a God they are ignored. It is my guess that you are not willing to change even if you see or hear proof. p.s. witness statments are considered proof legally, however it is up to the jury to make a judgment on the validity of witness accounts.
Here is another story from my life which is proof that there is a God.
I was on my computer building a website and I heard a voice and had a vision of Steve Erwin (a famous character in Australia) and I was told "he is going to die", and "contact him and share the gospel with him". I was a bit frightened by it all and did not do anything. A few months latter Steve Erwin was stung by a sting ray and died, just as I had been told would happen.
There are a lot of other examples scattered around this website where God spoke to me and predicted events or spoke audiably, these are proof, and I submit them to this court as evidence. Witness statments are evidence.
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RE: Christian for helping others
October 30, 2008 at 5:28 am
But it's not proof..
To the rest of the world it's just words written on a website.
What you need to do is to write down all of these messages and place them in the hands of an independent organisation so they can be verified.
And how do you know that it is God?
And what if Steve Irwin hadn't died? That message would have just been forgotten!
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RE: Christian for helping others
October 30, 2008 at 5:42 am
Quote:What you need to do is to write down all of these messages and place them in the hands of an independent organisation so they can be verified.
This is like asking an organisation to verify what you had for breakfast six months ago, it is not going to happen. In fact it is unreasonable to expect the witness to verify their eating experience. It is impossible to do, it must be taken on the good word of the witness.
Quote:And how do you know that it is God?
I have reasonable faith that it was God, if not God it was some one capable of directing the future. Thus in my mind only God has that ability.
Quote:And what if Steve Irwin hadn't died? That message would have just been forgotten!
This is just the standard atheist argument to try to discredit miracles, and I don't buy it. I have been told the future on two occassions, and spoken to on others. All with measurable outcomes, i.e. not rediculous riddles but plain and meaningful.
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RE: Christian for helping others
October 30, 2008 at 10:53 am
(October 27, 2008 at 12:12 pm)Mikethechristian Wrote: you atheists must thank god that you have freewill as it really is the key ingredient for these great discussions.
Now that is funny.
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RE: Christian for helping others
October 30, 2008 at 6:58 pm
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(October 30, 2008 at 5:20 am)FutureAndAHope Wrote: You always seem to ask for proof but when I supply proof, as a witness of events that prove there is a God they are ignored. It is my guess that you are not willing to change even if you see or hear proof. p.s. witness statments are considered proof legally, however it is up to the jury to make a judgment on the validity of witness accounts.
Here is another story from my life which is proof that there is a God.
I was on my computer building a website and I heard a voice and had a vision of Steve Erwin (a famous character in Australia) and I was told "he is going to die", and "contact him and share the gospel with him". I was a bit frightened by it all and did not do anything. A few months latter Steve Erwin was stung by a sting ray and died, just as I had been told would happen.
There are a lot of other examples scattered around this website where God spoke to me and predicted events or spoke audiably, these are proof, and I submit them to this court as evidence. Witness statments are evidence. I'm not sure if you were talking to bozo or me because bozo quoted you last, but my post was right before yours, but if you are replying to me, and even if you aren't it still might have some relevance:
It is not that I ignore evidence. It is simply that I do not believe this is evidence. Are you claiming that I ignore evidence? If you are does that presuppose that you not only think these experiences of yours count as very strong or even extremely strong or as strong as you can possibly conceive, evidence, but you actually believe this evidence is 100% proof beyond all doubt? You take it as gospel? Thereby being a fundamentalist and a dogmatist?
If not, which I don't think you'd admit you were that bad even if you are, then why do you assume i am being ignorant of evidence rather than understanding, like I have acknowledged before and also more than once I think, that I simply do not believe that what you believe is evidence.
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