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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
August 7, 2012 at 3:46 pm
This is a very revealing and absorbing article on the supposed historicity of Jesus and its origins, from a scholarly Jewish perspective:
Refuting Missionaries: The Myth of the Historical Veracity of Jesus (by Hayyim ben Yehoshua)
It's a fairly long and in-depth analysis, involving translations and mistranslations - accidental and deliberate - of original Hebrew text. Well recommended.
(For the lulz if not for balance, check out the best that the Tektonics Apologetics Ministry has come up with in 'refutation'.)
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
August 7, 2012 at 6:12 pm
(August 7, 2012 at 3:46 pm)Stimbo Wrote: This is a very revealing and absorbing article on the supposed historicity of Jesus and its origins, from a scholarly Jewish perspective:
Refuting Missionaries: The Myth of the Historical Veracity of Jesus (by Hayyim ben Yehoshua)
It's a fairly long and in-depth analysis, involving translations and mistranslations - accidental and deliberate - of original Hebrew text. Well recommended.
(For the lulz if not for balance, check out the best that the Tektonics Apologetics Ministry has come up with in 'refutation'.)
That's an extremely interesting piece, I've read some of it and will read the rest tomorrow. As a lapsed Christian; from the age of five when we are first taught about Jesus we are told never to question the scriptures, so we never did. It's only when one matures and begins to think for oneself that doubts begin. Also as you will know, blasphemers were executed centuries back so why would anyone question or criticise the scriptures?
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
August 7, 2012 at 6:19 pm
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Good point. There is at least one branch of fundamentalist opinion (and probably more than a vein of it threading through the rest, not excluding the moderates) which bemoans the fact that you can't legally set fire to people with different beliefs and inconvenient questions anymore.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
August 8, 2012 at 8:23 am
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(August 7, 2012 at 3:46 pm)Stimbo Wrote: This is a very revealing and absorbing article on the supposed historicity of Jesus and its origins, from a scholarly Jewish perspective:
Refuting Missionaries: The Myth of the Historical Veracity of Jesus (by Hayyim ben Yehoshua)
It's a fairly long and in-depth analysis, involving translations and mistranslations - accidental and deliberate - of original Hebrew text. Well recommended.
(For the lulz if not for balance, check out the best that the Tektonics Apologetics Ministry has come up with in 'refutation'.)
Quote:The majority of these beliefs only came into existence after the persecution by Nero and the tragedy of 70 C.E. Many of these beliefs are based on the pagan legends about the gods Tammuz, Osiris, Attis, Dionysus and the sun god Mithras
What happened in 70 C.E.?
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
August 8, 2012 at 8:49 am
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
August 8, 2012 at 11:07 am
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(August 8, 2012 at 8:23 am)cratehorus Wrote: What happened in 70 C.E.?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masada
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
August 8, 2012 at 11:09 am
The Siege of Jerusalem in the year 70 was the decisive event of the First Jewish-Roman War. The Roman army, led by the future Emperor Titus, with Tiberius Julius Alexander as his second-in-command, besieged and conquered the city of Jerusalem, which had been occupied by its Jewish defenders in 66.
The siege ended with the sacking of the city and the destruction of its famous Second Temple. The destruction of both the first and second temples is still mourned annually as the Jewish fast Tisha B'Av. The Arch of Titus, celebrating the Roman sack of Jerusalem and the Temple, still stands in Rome.
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
August 8, 2012 at 11:59 am
Quote:Good point. There is at least one branch of fundamentalist opinion (and probably more than a vein of it threading through the rest, not excluding the moderates) which bemoans the fact that you can't legally set fire to people with different beliefs and inconvenient questions anymore.
What the fuckers call "the good old days" Stim.
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
August 9, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Too true. I can just imagine them walking through one of those Chamber of Horror things full of recreations of Inquisition subtlety, and getting tingles in all the wrong places.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
August 9, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Can you get tingles in the wrong places?
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