Why is evolution hiding?

[professor]

Michael, medicines are developed the exact same way machines are developed.
By the application of human intelligence.
Leave that aspect out (which is what Darwin started out with) and you have zero development.
Your mentors have cleverly called what we do every day- "Evolution".
They lie.

[Rahul]

Michael, medicines are developed the exact same way machines are developed.
By the application of human intelligence.
Leave that aspect out (which is what Darwin started out with) and you have zero development.
Your mentors have cleverly called what we do every day- "Evolution".
They lie.

*grins* Tsk, tsk.

Ever wonder why flu shots have to be given every year professor?

After all, once you get the flu, your body keeps the antibodies used to fight off that flu for the rest of your life.

Ninety years after the sweeping destruction of the 1918 flu pandemic, researchers have recovered antibodies to the virus -- from elderly survivors of the original outbreak.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...223642.htm

This is all the flu shot does. It makes our body develop antibodies against a certain strain of flu. Either there is a never ending number of strains of flu viruses that have always existed and will always exist, or somehow, curiously, there are new strains of flu that have appeared from seemingly nowhere every single year.

The basic reason for the difference between the flu vaccine and many other vaccines is that the flu virus evolves much more rapidly than do viruses like measles, mumps, and polio. Our bodies fight off diseases, in part, through the production of antibodies that help our immune systems recognize and attack foreign invaders. Vaccines work by priming the body with the right antibodies to fight a particular disease before it gets a foothold and makes us sick. For measles, mumps, and polio, this works just fine. If you were fully vaccinated for these diseases as a child (or had the disease as a child) and your body encounters one of these pathogens many years later, it is extremely likely that your body's antibodies will be able to recognize the intruders and attack them. However, the flu evolves so much from season to season that last year's antibodies usually cannot recognize this year's viral strain. So if you were vaccinated for flu last year or had the flu last year, it indicates nothing about your body's ability to fend off the bug this year.

In fact, in a process called antigenic drift, flu evolves in response to the antibodies our bodies produce each year. During the course of a flu epidemic, many people gain immunity to the strain of the virus that is currently circulating. Through the process of natural selection, any flu virus particles that happen to carry mutations that allow them to slip by the defenses of common antibodies will be favored, produce more copies of themselves, and eventually, spread to more new victims. This process leads to the evolution of new strains, one or some of which are likely to become the cause of next year's flu season.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary...130201_flu

[Esquilax]

Michael, medicines are developed the exact same way machines are developed.
By the application of human intelligence.
Leave that aspect out (which is what Darwin started out with) and you have zero development.
Your mentors have cleverly called what we do every day- "Evolution".
They lie.

There are diseases, right now, that have evolved a resistance to antibiotics since humans started using them. They never had it before, but they have developed it in response to evolutionary selections pressures added by medicinal science.

They're called superbugs, colloquially. Perhaps you've heard of them? They're kind of a big concern in the medical community, people are dying because they do exist, and they do exist because they have evolved.

You lie.

[LastPoet]

TB is one of them. Damn buggers keep getting resistant to antibiotics, because at the rate they reproduce, genetic variation will provide for generations from those that survive better to propagate better. and this is only in the last few years, let alone bilions of years. They call themselves great because of an hypothesised god, yet, only show a limited, meek god.

[Ben Davis]

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I'm wondering if some "atheists" reject the belief that life arose from non-life and evolved from simpler creatures to more complex life forms; tiny cell becomes an amoeba, then a lizard, then a monkey, and eventually you !

I know that evolution is indeed a fact but the belief that different types of animals evolved into other species is not fact or we would see them "evolving" into other types or at least need to see this to say it is fact.

Where is the evidence of cats, dogs and horses gradually turning into something else? We do see changes within species. We also see no evidence of gradual change in the fossil record either.

Isn't Evolution still called a theory, a possible explanation or assumption, because it is not testable according to the scientific method?

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Looks like I'm late to the party on this one and I haven't read everyone's responses but I'll make the safe assumption that you've already been given these:

1. Abiogenesis is the field of study, mostly Chemistry, relating to life arising from non-life. Evolution is the field of study, mostly Biology, relating to the changes that occurred once life existed that cause speciation. Do not conflate the two or you'll make errors.

2. Evolution has been observed and documented both in the wild and in controlled environments

3. The evidence for evolution is in the fossil record, genetic sequencing, taxonomy, comparative morphology, embryology; they all demonstrate that change over time causes speciation, dependent on a variety of environmental factors.

4. In scientific terms, the word 'Theory' means 'the best explanation of the facts'. This is very different to the mundane meaning as 'best guess'. A theory is composed of facts, is dependent on facts and can change as new facts emerge or our understanding/interpretation of existing facts change.

If no-one else has, I recommend you have a look at AronRa's series of vids here, especially No.s 5 through to 15.

[Esquilax]

TB is one of them. Damn buggers keep getting resistant to antibiotics, because at the rate they reproduce, genetic variation will provide for generations from those that survive better to propagate better. and this is only in the last few years, let alone bilions of years. They call themselves great because of an hypothesised god, yet, only show a limited, meek god.

"But it's always still TB!"

[Phatt Matt s]

TC, you are full of surprises.
I am also surprised I went thru all these pages, got quite a few chuckles too.

At work, when a test sometimes doesn't pan out perfectly, a "performance fairy", gets to analyze the data and "Presto" all is well....... what I think we have here is the effect of a "Time fairy" weaving her magic dust into the data.

Isn't it interesting, TC, that those who accept evolution can give you reams of data and experimental evidence, and the evolution deniers only supply glib non-answers and mockery?

It's almost as if they think they can disprove a hundred and fifty years of scientific confirmation merely by laughing at it, and displaying how little they understand it in the process!

Actually I gave some book sources and a few links. THat hasn't really been my cup of tea because it can be time consuming searching through stuff.

Actually, rather than providing links I'd rather people would take the time to go through it, give me the highlights of the link, a summary, and what precisely I need to know from the link or book, rather than just citing a link or source.

Also, I believe that what you evolutionists have to say in defense of your beliefs is not stupid but something all people should know and consider.

However, I don't think Gorillas and humans have much in common. Birds, mice, and Dogs have more in Common than humans and Gorrillas.

I'm not talking about the similarity of being in the primate family. Look at how the human race lives and behaves compared to that of Gorillas and chimps. Different as night and day.

[Rampant.A.I.]

Still the issue is that since we don't see favorable mutations creating new species in periods of thousands of years, we then hypothesize that it takes millions of years, and anything that takes that long can not be tested by Scientific method.

Hence, it is theory.

It's actually laboratory observable, especially with bacteria. Which is part of why we have to keep developing antibiotics.

[Esquilax]

However, I don't think Gorillas and humans have much in common. Birds, mice, and Dogs have more in Common than humans and Gorrillas.

I'm not talking about the similarity of being in the primate family. Look at how the human race lives and behaves compared to that of Gorillas and chimps.

Yes, there is a behavioral gap, I agree. But biology isn't about behavior, you're thinking of psychology. Besides, there's often vast differences in intellect between members of the same family of species; consider the difference between a pigeon and a hawk, say. Just because humans have more advanced brains than gorillas doesn't mean we don't have much in common; crack the hood, look at the study of cladistics and how scientists actually make determinations of what goes in what species classification, and you'll see there's plenty of similarities.

My favorite example is the human spinal nerves; did you know they're more suited to quadrupedal motion than upright bipedal motion? Like, say, the way gorillas walk? It's true.

[Michael Schubert]

Michael, medicines are developed the exact same way machines are developed.
By the application of human intelligence.
Leave that aspect out (which is what Darwin started out with) and you have zero development.
Your mentors have cleverly called what we do every day- "Evolution".
They lie.

*grins* Tsk, tsk.

Ever wonder why flu shots have to be given every year professor?

After all, once you get the flu, your body keeps the antibodies used to fight off that flu for the rest of your life.

Ninety years after the sweeping destruction of the 1918 flu pandemic, researchers have recovered antibodies to the virus -- from elderly survivors of the original outbreak.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...223642.htm

This is all the flu shot does. It makes our body develop antibodies against a certain strain of flu. Either there is a never ending number of strains of flu viruses that have always existed and will always exist, or somehow, curiously, there are new strains of flu that have appeared from seemingly nowhere every single year.

The basic reason for the difference between the flu vaccine and many other vaccines is that the flu virus evolves much more rapidly than do viruses like measles, mumps, and polio. Our bodies fight off diseases, in part, through the production of antibodies that help our immune systems recognize and attack foreign invaders. Vaccines work by priming the body with the right antibodies to fight a particular disease before it gets a foothold and makes us sick. For measles, mumps, and polio, this works just fine. If you were fully vaccinated for these diseases as a child (or had the disease as a child) and your body encounters one of these pathogens many years later, it is extremely likely that your body's antibodies will be able to recognize the intruders and attack them. However, the flu evolves so much from season to season that last year's antibodies usually cannot recognize this year's viral strain. So if you were vaccinated for flu last year or had the flu last year, it indicates nothing about your body's ability to fend off the bug this year.

In fact, in a process called antigenic drift, flu evolves in response to the antibodies our bodies produce each year. During the course of a flu epidemic, many people gain immunity to the strain of the virus that is currently circulating. Through the process of natural selection, any flu virus particles that happen to carry mutations that allow them to slip by the defenses of common antibodies will be favored, produce more copies of themselves, and eventually, spread to more new victims. This process leads to the evolution of new strains, one or some of which are likely to become the cause of next year's flu season.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary...130201_flu

Thank you very much, my well-informed friend. You have saved me so much time and energy in explaining Evolutionary Science 101 to the ignorant one back there.

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Michael, medicines are developed the exact same way machines are developed.
By the application of human intelligence.
Leave that aspect out (which is what Darwin started out with) and you have zero development.
Your mentors have cleverly called what we do every day- "Evolution".
They lie.

There are diseases, right now, that have evolved a resistance to antibiotics since humans started using them. They never had it before, but they have developed it in response to evolutionary selections pressures added by medicinal science.

They're called superbugs, colloquially. Perhaps you've heard of them? They're kind of a big concern in the medical community, people are dying because they do exist, and they do exist because they have evolved.

You lie.

The same goes for you.