Abortion not allowed

[C4RM5]

Sorry just looked up the quote, the quote is factual but it actually comes from the Oath of Geneva.

Here is a link. http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/ra...eneva.html

This error really worries me because I have to learn this for exams next year.

It is actually The Declaration of Geneva, and that version is out of date.

The Declaration of Geneva, as currently published by the WMA reads:

At the time of being admitted as a member of the medical profession:

I solemnly pledge to consecrate my life to the service of humanity;
I will give to my teachers the respect and gratitude that is their due;
I will practice my profession with conscience and dignity;
The health of my patient will be my first consideration;
I will respect the secrets that are confided in me, even after the patient has died;
I will maintain by all the means in my power, the honour and the noble traditions of the medical profession;
My colleagues will be my sisters and brothers;
I will not permit considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;
I will maintain the utmost respect for human life;
I will not use my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat;
I make these promises solemnly, freely and upon my honour.

They have just edited it out so abortion is acceptable.

[downbeatplumb]

I was just asked for reasons for my beliefs not factual information concerning the growth of a foetus.

Then the extremely relevant question that you need to answer is this: why aren't your beliefs affected in any way by pertinent factual information?

This is how it works with some people, they believe something and reject all facts that don't agree and leap whole heartedly on anything that even hints at agreeing with whatever it is.

So in this case, a foetus may have human DNA but not a brain or a nervous system, the part they will see is the "human DNA" part and erase the rest.
(I may mean zygote here I am not up on the stages of pre-natal development and am too lazy to google).

[Esquilax]

What factual information?

The biological development of the fetus? The at least loosely defined point at which the systems which bestow humanity form within the body? Hell, even the philosophical considerations as to what, precisely, is valuable about a person?

Because you keep phrasing it as though your beliefs and the facts of the matter are two things that have no connection between them, which is profoundly damaging to the credibility of your beliefs.

[Chas]

It is actually The Declaration of Geneva, and that version is out of date.

The Declaration of Geneva, as currently published by the WMA reads:

At the time of being admitted as a member of the medical profession:

I solemnly pledge to consecrate my life to the service of humanity;
I will give to my teachers the respect and gratitude that is their due;
I will practice my profession with conscience and dignity;
The health of my patient will be my first consideration;
I will respect the secrets that are confided in me, even after the patient has died;
I will maintain by all the means in my power, the honour and the noble traditions of the medical profession;
My colleagues will be my sisters and brothers;
I will not permit considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;
I will maintain the utmost respect for human life;
I will not use my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat;
I make these promises solemnly, freely and upon my honour.

They have just edited it out so abortion is acceptable.

Yes, they have - except there is no 'just' about it. But that is the declaration created and accepted by medical ethicists and physicians.

The world changes, do try to keep up.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

erm...wow.

Boru

[C4RM5]

There is a big difference between a belief and factual information.

You don't need to have facts to believe in something, for instance I believe my chair will not break, I haven't got any factual information to prove it but it doesn't make my belief any more dis proven or proven.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Sometimes, I regret leaving Northern Ireland, and then I'm reminded of why I left.

Boru

[C4RM5]

Was it because alot of people were trying to blow each other up or was it because you can get in alot of bother for eating an orange on the wrong parade route.

[Chas]

There is a big difference between a belief and factual information.

You don't need to have facts to believe in something, for instance I believe my chair will not break, I haven't got any factual information to prove it but it doesn't make my belief any more dis proven or proven.

But we have no reason to accept, or even respect, your unjustified beliefs.

And they are certainly not a valid basis for law or public policy.

[Esquilax]

There is a big difference between a belief and a fact.

If your beliefs aren't informed by the facts, you are what we call "delusional." It's part of how we determine who's mentally unstable, you know; you might not have a sufficient number of beliefs like that to qualify, but I want it to be known what company this belief of yours puts you in.

You don't need to have a fact to back up a belief, for instance I believe my chair will not break, I haven't got any factual information to prove it but it doesn't make my belief any more dis proven or proven.

What are you talking about? You've got plenty of factual information to back up your belief in your chair; you've got prior experience with it not breaking, you've got other examples of stable chairs that don't break to work off of, you've got at least an instinctive knowledge of physics and structure that tell you when a chair is looking unstable versus when it isn't... you might not consciously be considering all of that at the time, but let's not pretend you and that chair don't exist in a world that you get to play off of when it comes time for the two of you to interact.