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America Great again!
RE: America Great again!
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And so it continues...

Quote:Trump also balked when asked whether he'd carry out his campaign pledge to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton.
He said Clinton "did some bad things" and that he's "going to think about it" -- but that he is more eager to focus on health care, immigration and other policy matters.

Quote:Trump's rallying cry on the campaign trail was that he'd "drain the swamp" in Washington. But so far, Trump's transition team is filled with the usual suspects -- lobbyists and longtime Washington hands.

Trump didn't chafe at that characterization of his transition team. "Everybody's a lobbyist down there," he said, referring to Washington.

"That's the problem with the system -- the system. Right now, we're going to clean it up. We're having restrictions on foreign money coming in, we're going to put on term limits, which a lot of people aren't happy about, but we're putting on term limits. We're doing a lot of things to clean up the system. But everybody that works for government, they then leave government and they become a lobbyist, essentially. I mean, the whole place is one big lobbyist," Trump said.

He said relying on those lobbyists now while planning to eliminate them later is no contradiction.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/13/politics/d...l?adkey=bn

I'm also reading that he made Reince Prebus chief of staff.  Drain that swamp, baby!
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(November 13, 2016 at 9:26 pm)Faith No More Wrote: And so it continues...

Quote:Trump also balked when asked whether he'd carry out his campaign pledge to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton.
He said Clinton "did some bad things" and that he's "going to think about it" -- but that he is more eager to focus on health care, immigration and other policy matters.

Quote:Trump's rallying cry on the campaign trail was that he'd "drain the swamp" in Washington. But so far, Trump's transition team is filled with the usual suspects -- lobbyists and longtime Washington hands.

Trump didn't chafe at that characterization of his transition team. "Everybody's a lobbyist down there," he said, referring to Washington.

"That's the problem with the system -- the system. Right now, we're going to clean it up. We're having restrictions on foreign money coming in, we're going to put on term limits, which a lot of people aren't happy about, but we're putting on term limits. We're doing a lot of things to clean up the system. But everybody that works for government, they then leave government and they become a lobbyist, essentially. I mean, the whole place is one big lobbyist," Trump said.

He said relying on those lobbyists now while planning to eliminate them later is no contradiction.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/13/politics/d...l?adkey=bn

I'm also reading that he made Reince Prebus chief of staff.  Drain that swamp, baby!

He's in the process of being captured and subverted. The butthurt from his followers will probably be pretty fierce.

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Given all of the bending over backwards they've done to defend his flip-flopping and hatefulness, I wouldn't be surprised if they just give him a pass.

A large chunk of them don't give a damn what happens as long as it's the red guy that does it.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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(November 13, 2016 at 9:46 pm)Faith No More Wrote: A large chunk of them don't give a damn what happens as long as it's the red guy that does it.

I think it runs deeper than that. They're insulated against any kind of reality check. We had the rightwing party in government between 2000 amd 2006. The courts are still busy wading through the monumental corruption happening in these years. Even before the crisis they managed to ruin a federal bank, which will cost tax payer money for at least another 30 years.

And yet, they're leading the polls once again.
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(November 13, 2016 at 9:06 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I didn't vote.







Here's Hillary pandering for the black vote, I mean this woman will lie about anything.





Hillary never had a shot at beating Trump, the initial polls during the democratic primary had HILLARY LOSING TO TRUMP

Polls Showed Sanders Had a Better Shot of Beating Trump–but Pundits Told You to Ignore Them


IMO all of you that chose Hillary in the primary are to blame for Trump's win.

No. People like you who didn't vote are to blame. 

Just like those who continue to deny that their vote for Nader in Florida didn't effect the outcome of the 2000 election, you can tell yourself it's everyone else's fault who actually voted, but math doesn't work that way. 

You claim to be upset because a politician lied about a few things? Welcome to reality. 

You don't hold some high ground because you think that Hillary wasn't good enough for you, and you abdicated any legitimate basis for complaint by willfully not participating and playing a role in allowing Trump to become POTUS. Whatever bad things happen under him, you and all the other people who didn't vote are responsible for. Of course that goes for the fools who voted for him too. 

And did you also not bother to vote for anything else? The Republicans control the House, the Senate, POTUS, and soon, the Supreme Court. But Hillary wasn't good enough for you so fuck everyone else, and fuck the entire next generation.
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(November 13, 2016 at 9:50 pm)abaris Wrote: I think it runs deeper than that. They're insulated against any kind of reality check. We had the rightwing party in government between 2000 amd 2006. The courts are still busy wading through the monumental corruption happening in these years. Even before the crisis they managed to ruin a federal bank, which will cost tax payer money for at least another 30 years.

And yet, they're leading the polls once again.

Sure, there's more to it, but at the same time I think there's a lot of merit to it, too. Just look at the usual suspects here talking about Obama's tyranny and how he ruined America. I guarantee you none of them said a word when Bush left the country in economic ruin, curtailed constitutional freedoms, and blew a trillion dollars and got thousands killed in an unjust war.

Even a lot of liberals gave Obama a pass for things they would have crucified Bush for. Americans definitely seem to be more preoccupied with who does something as opposed to what they actually do.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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(November 13, 2016 at 9:55 pm)Opoponax Wrote: No. People like you who didn't vote are to blame. 

Just like those who continue to deny that their vote for Nader in Florida didn't effect the outcome of the 2000 election, you can tell yourself it's everyone else's fault who actually voted, but math doesn't work that way. 

You claim to be upset because a politician lied about a few things? Welcome to reality. 

You don't hold some high ground because you think that Hillary wasn't good enough for you, and you abdicated any legitimate basis for complaint by willfully not participating and playing a role in allowing Trump to become POTUS. Whatever bad things happen under him, you and all the other people who didn't vote are responsible for. Of course that goes for the fools who voted for him too. 

And did you also not bother to vote for anything else? The Republicans control the House, the Senate, POTUS, and soon, the Supreme Court. But Hillary wasn't good enough for you so fuck everyone else, and fuck the entire next generation.

Apparently you missed the part where I clearly said that Trump was a better choice than Hillary...

The fact that YOU accept that lying politicians are the norm is part of the problem. A vote for Hillary is a vote for no change, while Trump represent change, it may be change for the worse but it's change...



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RE: America Great again!
(November 13, 2016 at 9:55 pm)Opoponax Wrote:
(November 13, 2016 at 9:06 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I didn't vote.







Here's Hillary pandering for the black vote, I mean this woman will lie about anything.





Hillary never had a shot at beating Trump, the initial polls during the democratic primary had HILLARY LOSING TO TRUMP

Polls Showed Sanders Had a Better Shot of Beating Trump–but Pundits Told You to Ignore Them


IMO all of you that chose Hillary in the primary are to blame for Trump's win.

No. People like you who didn't vote are to blame. 

Just like those who continue to deny that their vote for Nader in Florida didn't effect the outcome of the 2000 election, you can tell yourself it's everyone else's fault who actually voted, but math doesn't work that way. 

You claim to be upset because a politician lied about a few things? Welcome to reality. 

You don't hold some high ground because you think that Hillary wasn't good enough for you, and you abdicated any legitimate basis for complaint by willfully not participating and playing a role in allowing Trump to become POTUS. Whatever bad things happen under him, you and all the other people who didn't vote are responsible for. Of course that goes for the fools who voted for him too. 

And did you also not bother to vote for anything else? The Republicans control the House, the Senate, POTUS, and soon, the Supreme Court. But Hillary wasn't good enough for you so fuck everyone else, and fuck the entire next generation.

The six million Democrats who didn't vote are to blame. And at a deeper level, the DNC is also to blame for abetting such a deeply flawed candidate.

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(November 13, 2016 at 10:17 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(November 13, 2016 at 9:55 pm)Opoponax Wrote: No. People like you who didn't vote are to blame. 

Just like those who continue to deny that their vote for Nader in Florida didn't effect the outcome of the 2000 election, you can tell yourself it's everyone else's fault who actually voted, but math doesn't work that way. 

You claim to be upset because a politician lied about a few things? Welcome to reality. 

You don't hold some high ground because you think that Hillary wasn't good enough for you, and you abdicated any legitimate basis for complaint by willfully not participating and playing a role in allowing Trump to become POTUS. Whatever bad things happen under him, you and all the other people who didn't vote are responsible for. Of course that goes for the fools who voted for him too. 

And did you also not bother to vote for anything else? The Republicans control the House, the Senate, POTUS, and soon, the Supreme Court. But Hillary wasn't good enough for you so fuck everyone else, and fuck the entire next generation.

Apparently you missed the part where I clearly said that Trump was a better choice than Hillary...

The fact that YOU accept that lying politicians are the norm is part of the problem. A vote for Hillary is a vote for no change, while Trump represent change, it may be change for the worse but it's change...




haha yeah I had posted that on facebook! Have to ask you as a black man, did you get any backlash from other black people for supporting Trump? I was talking to a black guy at the bar the other day, and he was mentioning how he really couldn't talk about Trump because they accused him as a traitor. Which is truly sad! He said some of the black community has a victim mentality and identity where if you flee from the DNC plantation, you are viewed as a sellout, race traitor, negropean, uncle tom, etc as he listed off names he's been called. Him and I united as human beings and had a good conversation about all the propaganda dividing the country into little groups, and how the democrats were so focused on pandering to the various demographics, they lost the big picture.

Curious what you have to say though. Most Trump supporters I know personally are not obsessed with race, and identify as being American. Granted, there are some bad apples the left likes to promote as poster children, but for most of us, it's really a change from the insanity that's been going down lately.
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