Tell us about the dinosaurs

[Loki_999]

Wikipedia is so lame. There were vessels the exact same size as the ark built in China that did fine. They actually sailed, which was something the ark didn't even have to do.

Wikipedia is an excellent resource for information. You just need to be careful of accepting everything there without cross checking. This is why they are usually quite tight on demanding citations. Go ahead and try and make some unsubstantiated claims on wikipedia and see how long it is before you entry gets tagged with citation needed. If you want to dismiss wikipedia that is your business, but follow the citations and see whether you choose to dismiss those as well.

Still, you haven't actually stated how big you believe this ark was, so saying China built ships of the same size, well, you have to let us know which Chinese ships these were.

I am sure you are aware that marine animals did not have to be taken onto the ark. Due to drastic plate tectonics a lot of the water that flooded the Earth was already sea water, so your salinity argument doesn't hold much water.

Ho ho ho... doesn't hold much water. Actually, it does. Either the water was saline, therefore killing off all the freshwater marine life, or non-saline killing off all the saltwater marine life. You can't have it both ways. Again, a clear example of God causing death for no clear reason.

P.S. AIG knows that brontosaurus never existed, maybe you guys should read their work more.

Can we drop it already with the Brontosaurus? Or are you now going to prove that the whole diplodicae (sorry, spelling, being lazy to check how to spell it) family of dinosaurs didn't exist as well? If people say Brontosaurus we are referring to big fucking lizards with longs necks.

Can you point me to a resource where all the "kinds" of animals that were on the Ark are listed?

Well the Biblical "kind" does not directly fall into our biological tree. It is most likely between the "family" and "genus" categories depending on the animal. This would have meant (including dinosaurs and other extince animals) that Noah would only have to take about 2000-3000 actual animals on the Ark. Very doable.

Answer the question please. Where can i find a list of the animals?

1) So, if the Dino's were on the Ark, and they also had time to evolve/mutate after the flood - because there are a lot more than 50 types of Dinosaurs cataloged, what happened to them? At what point did they die out?

To your frist point, all those species of Dinosaurs were killed before the flood (or during the flood), so they did not live after the flood. A lot of dinosaurs would have had trouble adapting to the post-flood conditions so they would not have been real numerous, though some did live after the flood.

So god created the dinos and quite a lot of them died out in just a couple of thousand years after creation? That's a pretty bad design on the part of god don't you think? I object to your suggestion that lots died out during the flood. God COMMANDED 2 of every *cough* kind *cough*. And what about the marine dinosaurs? They wouldn't have had any problem with adapting to post flood life.

2) How (and why) the hell did the duck billed platypus migrate from the middle east, all the way to Australia? Not exactly the fastest creature on land, requires freshwater rivers for life, etc. Actually, isn't it just a little strange for you why certain animals are only found in certain parts of the world when according to your beliefs, the ark stopped in the middle east and all the animals disembarked there.

To your second point...pointing to a "problem" that exists for both sides doesn't really get us anywhere. Evolutionists have huge issues with the fact that there are many animals (wolves for example) that are morphologically identical (aside from reproductive systems) but some live in Australia and some live in Europe. The Catestrophic Plate Tectonic model does solve this problem for Creationists though, it would allow for many animals to move to Australia and then be separated by plate tectonics and melting ice bridges.

Don't dodge the question. You can ask me how in my worldview that two similar species of wolves live so far apart, but please answer mine (can't promise an answer at all on that because I have no idea and would have to do quite a bit of research... but I wouldn't insert God just because of ignorance on my part) You raise the catestrophic pate techtonic event (which would then drag this conversation over to geology) but let us for the moment assume there was a land bridge, it still doesn't explain how just 2 platypus formed a breeding pair in the middle of the desert, survived, produced enough offspring to start the next generation (also the next generation would suffer a relatively high rate of non-viables due to the incestuous breeding that would be happening), and then they would have had to thrive, spread out, but for some reason, slowly, oh so very slowly, migrate eastwards, through more deserts, presumably following rivers where they could, mountains, forests, plains, jungles, and finally settle in just East Australia and Tasmania??? If the platypus could travel so far and survive, why don't we find them in West Australia? A platypus must eat 20% of its own body weight every day and therefore spends approximately 12 hours a day seeking food... not very conductive for migration either. They can breed usually once per year and produce two offspring. Again, not very conductive for mass spreading out if you want to take that approach (ie: they didn't migrate, they spread out everywhere and then died off except for in east Australia), plus the young live in the burrow for the first 3-4 months of their lives.

3) Did the Ark have environmental conditioning? Plenty of creatures who require specific environments to survive - freshwater fish vs saltwater fish, polar creatures adapted to the extreme cold, desert creatures adapted to dry conditions.

To the third point, I have no idea. Lots of these environmental needs would have most likely have developed after the flood as the animals re-populated the Earth and moved into many new ecosystems.

Ah, so adaptation. All (land) animals were happy to live in middle easy conditions before the flood and all animals could be found around the middle east? So there were no polar bears or penguins prior to the flood, or you could find penguins in the middle east prior to the flood? Seals lived on the banks of the jordan? Maybe Pharaoh had a pet Walrus? Or did these species *cough* evolve *cough* after the flood? Walruses evolved from what now? In just a couple of thousand years? Really?

4) Plants. 40 days submerged under the oceans is going to kill a lot of plant life I would have thought. Why didn't God think of the plants? Bad enough to kill off the animals who were faultless for man's behavior, but the poor plants were left to die.

Plants would have been destroyed by the flood, but not really as a matter of judgement, the Bible does not look at plant life the same way as animal life. Seeds can survive flooding for a long period of time, so plants re-populating the Earth would not have taken long at all.

Ok, seeds answers that fairly well, although it would depend on the plants and the salinity of the flood waters.

All Humans are guilty. Learn your Theology.

We know the theology thanks. We tend to find it disgusting and immoral.