(October 24, 2010 at 10:13 am)orogenicman Wrote: So, Statler, tell us why the rock record clearly demonstrates a history of over 9,000 species of dinosaurs (certainly a large lineage of animals for Noah to overlook, in fact, they were the most diverse species of vertebrates besides the perciform fish), including over 1,000 species of non-avian dinosaurs, that existed on Earth for over 160 million years if the Earth is only 6,000 years? Did god create these fossils to confuse all of us unbelieving scientists, and if so, where is his fossil factory located? And how did Noah manage the plumbing system on such an ark? Surely he must have been the most inventive plumber of all time.

Why get Noah to build an ark anyway, didnt god make the whole world in six days?
One ark would have taken what, six minutes, even if it was a really big one.

He could've gone 'there you go Noah put the amimals in that' but no, Noah had to denude several forrests use tons of nails to build the ark and I assume some sort of ark support structure to hold it till the deluge came.

And still he would've had to support his family and raise the extra funds for this massive project and for all the food for all the different animals and get it delivered just at the right time cos some of it wouldve been perishable.

You know the more I look at it this the less likely it seems that this happened at all, quel surprise.

(October 22, 2010 at 2:32 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: As for the Ark, yes Noah would have had them on the Ark too. Space really would not have been an issue because there really are only about 50 true "kinds" of dinosaurs.

So, 50 "kinds" of dinosaurs, plus all the other "kinds" of animals.

Can you point me to a resource where all the "kinds" of animals that were on the Ark are listed? I mean, there are million's (or is it billions) of species alive today, so that is either one massive ark (where all the creatures were kept fed and cleaned for 40 days - and apparently nights - by just one family) or since the flood there has been some huge amounts of mutations going on very rapidly.

A few extra points:

1) So, if the Dino's were on the Ark, and they also had time to evolve/mutate after the flood - because there are a lot more than 50 types of Dinosaurs cataloged, what happened to them? At what point did they die out?

2) How (and why) the hell did the duck billed platypus migrate from the middle east, all the way to Australia? Not exactly the fastest creature on land, requires freshwater rivers for life, etc. Actually, isn't it just a little strange for you why certain animals are only found in certain parts of the world when according to your beliefs, the ark stopped in the middle east and all the animals disembarked there.

3) Did the Ark have environmental conditioning? Plenty of creatures who require specific environments to survive - freshwater fish vs saltwater fish, polar creatures adapted to the extreme cold, desert creatures adapted to dry conditions.

4) Plants. 40 days submerged under the oceans is going to kill a lot of plant life I would have thought. Why didn't God think of the plants? Bad enough to kill off the animals who were faultless for man's behavior, but the poor plants were left to die.

Quote:Bad enough to kill off the animals who were faultless for man's behavior, but the poor plants were left to die.

Yeah....that god of theirs is one mean-tempered motherfucker.

You'd think that a 'god' could manage to be a bit more...shall we say "selective" with what he kills? After all, they claim he is "god." How hard could it have been to just kill the humans? Or just the guilty ones?
Why did he have to wipe out the babies too?

Piss poor divine planning if you ask me. I wouldn't trust this guy to organize a brunch.

(October 25, 2010 at 3:52 am)Minimalist Wrote: Piss poor divine planning if you ask me. I wouldn't trust this guy to organize a brunch.

But that's more than good enough for organizing a theology.

Quote:Well I am sure you are aware that the Biblical "kind" is not at the species level and there is only about 50 families of dinosaurs. I am sure you are also aware that we call a lot of dinosaurs different species when they are more likely the same dinosaur just different sizes. It's not God's fault you cannot interpret the evidence correctly, it's really not that hard to interpret. I think you will have a tougher time explaining why dinosaurs all of the sudden "appear" in the geological record and there are no species that are "almost" dinosaur or "on there way to becoming" a dinosaur? Kind of amazing considering you believe a 40 foot tall Sauropod is a descendant of a single celled organism. Someone has some blind faith and it's not me.

Perhaps you could provide a list of these 50 "familes" of dinosaurs. So what you are saying is that in order to get the over 9,000 species of dinosaurs already identified by scientists (with no apparent end in sight, since there are nearly daily discoveries) into Noah's ark, you simply reduce the number of species to 50 families (ignoring the obvious nomioclatural error of doing so) that are not recognized by anyone outside of creationist circles. Do you even understand how families fit into standard binomial nomenclature? And how many species are associated with just one typical family?

All Dinosaurs suddenly appear in the geological record? At the same place, at the same time? On what planet? Just curious because there is no place on THIS planet where ALL dinosaurs appear in the geological record at the same time. Your reference to the "no transitional fossils" argument, of course, ignores the thousands of transition species already identified as well as the fact that all species are transitional. That the genomes of all species of animals studied to date contain evidence of their single cell ancestry apparently escapes you, as well as the fact that all species are related by the fact that all lving species contain DNA, the blueprint of all life on Earth.

Oh, and Statler, the offer of meeting you at the Creation Museum for an afternoon of real field studies in geology still stands, if you dare.

Quote:All Humans are guilty. Learn your Theology.

I cannot think of any field of study more fucking worthless than "theology." Pompous asses with absolutely nothing to offer.

Quote:All Humans are guilty. Learn your Theology.

This is not OUR theology, this is YOUR theology; Humans are not guilty, creationists and theologians are, you worthless piece of guilty tulip shit.