Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist

[The Grand Nudger]

Idealism subsumes everything, because everything you know and learn about is an idea.

Composition.  If idealism subsumes everything everything I know and learn....then at the most, it subsumes what I know, what I learn.  Even granting you this tortured and meaningless usage of the term "idea", you've overreached.  What I know and learn about the universe and the universe are not the same thing, so no...it doesn't subsume everything, at least not for the reason you gave...if it subsumes anything at all.  This is poor thinking, as it was the last time, as I've already explained.  

You think your ideas represent something, but the fact is you have no direct access to anything at all, except through experiences and ideas about them.

You and I both consider them to be representative.  Meaningless criticism in general, and irrelevant -specifically- to any dispute between idealism or materialism.  More puzzling, I think..is that this would also have to apply to idealism.  If neither of us have direct access, so what?  It's a wash,......and I'm still explaining while you're busy "subsuming". 

We can confidently say, therefore, that everything that we know about reality can be understood through idea-- whatever the underlying reality is, we know that.  What you do is start listing all the ideas and experiences you have that lead you to think there's something more than that, not really getting that all along, you never WERE talking about anything more than ideas.

Regardless of how we best understand something, and assuming that your language is accurate and your proposition true...it just doesn't matter how we best understand....since our understanding of the thing (material or immaterial) is not the thing.  Again, composition.  We are talking about ideas that are referent...there's no sense in denying this now- you've been speaking to me this whole time as though I possess identity, as though the idea of me were referent.

Of course, the deeper problem here, in a discussion between idealism and materialism, is calling something "an idea" as though this made it immaterial by default.  That is, after all, precisely the thing in question.  IDK what to tell ya bud, if you want to talk about solipsism maybe you should make that thread?  If objections from solipsism are compelling to you, then you should understand why a comp fallacy won't work here.  If all you know about are your ideas, and you aren't comfortable considering those ideas to be referent, then even if -you- were made out of ideas, the universe is still made out of "x".  The only way to resolve this, the only way to avoid a comp fallacy and use this premise to reach the desired conclusion....is to propose that -you- are the universe, in toto.

The universe seems to exist, and our ideas seem to be referent, at the very least.  There seems to be an attribute we call identity, and there seem to be numerous individual manifestations of that attribute.  You seem to accept these things as well, after all, you haven;t been denying the existence of the universe (or me) as seperate from yourself.  I don't know why I'm fielding objections from a position neither of us subscribes to, a position which is counter to both idealism and materialism in equal measure for precisely the same reason.  Can you tell me why?  It's not that I don't understand the objection itself, I don't understand why you think it applies to materialism alone?  If we simply can't know these things, if all we're ever discussing are ideas, then any position which makes the claim "the universe is fundamentally comprised of -x-" is wrong by default.......... including the statement, "the universe is fundamentally comprised of ideas".  You might be, but we haven't gotten any closer to determining anything about the universe, we haven't learned anything that could serve as a metric for deciding between idealism and materialism.

If we can't know, we can't know...and I suppose we all have to make our peace with that, however, a person who makes claims as to what  cannot explain the universe (or even the mind), a person who weighs materialism and idealism and chooses one or the other...very clearly assumes that we can know these things.  They're making a statement of knowledge, after all.