Here's why Creatards might be right

[jenny1972]

It's really very, very simple.

If you think that evolution happens by any means other than natural forces, naturally interacting, then you don't understand evolution.

The only proposals to the contrary weren't really counter-ideas, just people saying "I want God in there so I'm going to suggest that your idea isn't enough, and that we can still squeeze God into those gaps I wedged." Except the gaps weren't there. We looked wherever they pointed, and kept finding no gaps.

Your question about "who made the rules" is a different question, and has nothing to do with how the universe operated after the moment following the Big Bang. Nothing. Zip. Zero. Nada. Yet you continue to speak as if you don't understand the difference between those two issues.

If you want to think the universal constants had to be set by some intelligence in order for the universe to operate... um, okay. I don't see any reason to think that, but clearly you do.

But when it comes to "what happened after organic molecules clumped into a form that could self-copy", there's really not much question, and it's clear that we understand the forces at play and why/how it happened, even though the process of mapping out every single aspect of that how will likely never finish being accomplished (requiring, as it would, examination of almost literally every sub-system and gene of every species on earth, including bacteria, archaea, fungi, plants, etc.) by scientists. Ever. It doesn't mean we don't know what we have already learned; it just means there is a lot more of the same stuff to find and to learn.

As long as you keep repeating things we know are not true about evolution, we're not going to believe you're really listening to us. You cannot just say "this is my opinion and that is yours" when your opinion is based on misconceptions, and we (the ones who DO have degrees in this stuff and/or have made it our primary field of study) keep trying to tell you what those misconceptions are.

If you read this post, and then in the next post say something that makes it clear you did not listen to someone who's telling you that you have biology wrong, then you're basically arguing with your mechanic because you think the engine "ought to" run properly and don't like him telling you what you're doing to damage it.

i understand that some people have the opinion that evolution is completely random and not intelligently designed  i just dont have that opinion . there is no proof its simply a theory noone really knows for sure or were there to document the evolution or perform testing during the process so its a theory . i do understand the theory of evolution that some people think had nothing to do with intelligent direction/design .

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ok switch the word proof with the word evidence making a mistake between putting the word  proof and the word evidence isnt being dishonest its a mistake with two words that are more or less synonymous and yes i achnowledge my error at making assumptions about you i even apologized for making assumptions leading to the 'strawman' error , acknowledged fully

No, fucking up once, twice, a few times.  That's a mistake.  Fucking up everytime, persisting in the behavior after it's been pointed out to you and -as- it's being pointed out to you, is not.  So save it.   You've worked hard, for pages and pages, over the span of two days..to end up here.   I hope you're enjoying the fruits of your labor.

Even now, in this, you've failed to acknowledge the very words I just typed to you - you stopped right there, at a convenient point....as if there wasn't something much more valuable than whatever credibility you think you might salvage...mentioned in my post.

yes i am enjoying the fruits of my labor very much

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yes but since i do know basic science and history you saying that i dont have an education is deceptive

Except that your lack of education is apparent for all to see.

Now pardon me as I stop answering you; I don't make a habit of bandying words with fools, and I'm not about to start with you.

Enjoy the ignore list.

being ignored by you will be torture but ill try to go on