RE: The Conservative Voice
December 20, 2010 at 5:11 pm
(This post was last modified: December 20, 2010 at 5:12 pm by TheDarkestOfAngels.)
(December 20, 2010 at 7:35 am)theVOID Wrote: Quick poll, how many people here have ever said they wanted no government? My guess is zero.
My understanding of the context of this discussion is no government interferance in the economy. In other words, an unrestricted free market economy that is supposed to regulate itself because humans are such good people to one another and they totally wouldn't take advantage of money and power.
My video examplifies the problem I'm talking about perfectly and it's a problem that will never happen again after the heathcare law that was passed recently because they will no longer be able to do the kind of thing they did to Chris in that video and this law was passed entirely because of situations like that and outright demand from those affected and those sympathetic to their plight.
*Note - not saying they won't find other ways to screw people somehow, but it's a step in the right direction.
Now, I ask you, Adrian, theVoid, or anyone else - just what is an unregulated free market going to be able to do to prevent this man from dying. What are his options?
Keeping in mind that Humana is his only choice for a health insurance provider because, like most US states, there is only one health insurance provider in an entire state with virtually no competition.
(One of the healthcare law mandates is that individuals will have the option of getting out-of-state insurance options so many of these companies will have to face actual competition - barring collaboration between competing companies to set their own prices and otherwise rig the capitalism game to their favor.)
No minimum wage may eliminate unemployment but put far more people into poverty unless the cost of living ALSO goes down, which can only go down if the quality of living also goes down - such as by eliminating government regulations over health, building safety, employee safety, and so on. Those things cost money and so do places to live, food, and electricity and unless the former is competative with the latter, then all we're doing is degrading a first world country into a third world country with substandard living conditions, starvation, poverty, and disease coupled with an ENORMOUS gulf between the richest and poorest where the richest make as much in a few seconds as the poorest can make in years.
The end result is not a healthy nation or even a sanitary living condition for the bulk of the population.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan