RE: Strict gun control in france.
November 17, 2015 at 2:55 pm
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2015 at 3:02 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(November 17, 2015 at 11:57 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: It's amazing how someone can say something like this after a terrible mass shooting in a country with strict gun control. Every time there is a mass shooting in the US people say how we need to ban guns to prevent tragedies like this is the future. Every time.
Are you arguing that countries with stricter gun-control laws don't tend to have lower murder rates? Take a look at this list.
(November 17, 2015 at 11:57 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: The overall murder rate is never brought up. And do you know why that is? Well maybe because it has little affect on the overall murder rate.
Maybe. Do you have data supporting that?
(November 17, 2015 at 11:57 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: It certainly didn't have any affect in England when gun laws were enacted in 1964 and the crime rate when up or stayed relatively similar throughout the next decade.
Firstly, the Firearms Act you refer to was in 1968, not 1964. Secondly, semi-automatic rifles weren't banned until 1988, and pistols not until 1996.
(November 17, 2015 at 11:57 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: People always make the case 'well look at the low crime rate in Europe' by which of course they mean only western Europe, all of which certainly has low violence but all of which doesn't even have strict gun control. Meanwhile the crime rate in Eastern Europe is sky high with similar gun control laws. On top of that western Europe has always had a lower crime rate than the US, even when their gun laws were similar. These are the facts that most people on both sides of this debate are terribly ignorant of and incidentally the more important and interesting conversation.
I'm not sure why you're pointing this out in a reply to me. I've made none of the points you've imputed above -- not one of them.
I support some controls on gun ownership, and think in certain instances they can help thwart crime. But your expectation that they should eliminate all murders is pretty unrealistic. Hopefully, this clears up for you what it is I'm saying.
