pop morality

[Cinjin]

Again your using the term morality out of the context of this discussion.

Christian Morality is popular morality for Christians.

Morality is not an absolute standard of any kind.

God's righteousness is an absolute.  

Why is your god's righteousness absolute?  Why is HIS morality objective?  From what I can tell, it's either "because the Bible says so," or simply because YOU say so.
The Bible reads much differently for you than it does for us.  You assign god absolute righteousness and objective morality because that's what you are forced to believe, even though all evidence points to the contrary.
Morality for your god is every bit as subjective for him as it is for us, and simply telling us that it's not means nothing.  And since your position hinges on that fact, it renders your entire argument moot.


The arbitrary nature of god's punishments alone are a constant reminder throughout the scriptures of the wishy washy nature of your deity.

One can only judge morality against an absolute. otherwise the comparison is not valid. Why? because despite who authors the 'morality' in inherently contains sin. then who's to say my sin is ok and yours is not?

For example It is always wrong to lie cheat or steal according to God. Even by the strictest standard telling a white lie to a bad man to save a life is ok. Or cheating someone who has cheated others/people in Need is ok, or stealing food to save your children from literal starvation/death is ok.

So again 'morality' no matter the source is a corruption of God's perfect standard. It is man's version of righteousness which allows for the use of sin.

This is how the 'church' failed us. it teaches morality rather than righteousness and atonement.
For instance, where in the bible is human life prized? Where in the bible does love for this life exceed the importance of eternal life taught? where then does the 'church' justify it position that you yourself described/use to judge the medieval church?

Now if you use pop morality of the medieval church, it's concern of confession and conversion for eternal life is far closer to the concerns outlined in scripture...

So which is right?

Neither. Why? both use 'morality' (man's ever sliding scale of acceptable evil) as their light and guide posts.
With the medieval church it sold itself to the devil for wealth, power and complete control over everything under the pretense of righteousness.. It like the modern church allows evil to mix in with righteousness to produce a watered down 'morality' that will appeal to more people. From an eternal stand point I would think this water down 'morality' would be far more likely to separate the body of believers from God, because as you put it we put a 'high value' on our lives rather than looking forward to the eternal life promised.

I personally have never believed in sin.  Only actions.  Sin is a concept dreamed up by man to identify things that he doesn't like.  Murder, rape, stealing are all sins ... until they're not sin and they're god's will and commandment.  Morality goes hand in hand with the ridiculous sin concept.  It's not real.  It's a word used to define acceptable actions.  There's that word again:  actions.  Look at your god's actions - most of them are deplorable.  The worst thing humans have ever done is use your god's actions (his "righteous morality") as a guideline for our own.  

I'm inclined as usual to chock this thread up to more Christian rhetoric and remind readers that your assertions always work themselves around to one little thing: