pop morality

[Drich]

But again I am not pushing for one morality over another...

Then we can forget the prohibitions in the bible as arbitrary and meaningless?

for the saved yes absolutely, this standard means nothing outside of describing the behavior you will naturally want to produce/with in your ablity. for the rest, they are the absolute measure you will be found wanting against.

 You're still basing your idea of atonement on a set of standards, elsewise what is there to atone for?

A purpose built impossible standard. Not Morality because again morality is the perversion of this standard to make it 'doable.' This standard is not meant to be followed but designed to show sin, and that everyone is in sin. Again sin and immorality not being the same thing. Remember I gave examples where it is possible to sin and still be found moral, and vise versa.

 Atonement is always atonement for something.  All you've done is substitute what you consider to be a moral response to our violating those standards for a punishment based one.  

Again no.
Morality is the substituationary response. It is man's way to try and be righteous without following the absolute perfect standard. one that only God himself can live by.
Again the standard was never intended for us to live by, only to show we can't possible live by it. Morality All forms of it seek to lower the bar enough for us to clear it.

If you ask me what keeps me from becoming a Nazi monster then I would say nothing but the inertia of evolved tendencies and culture, which is to say that there is nothing sufficiently substantial to forbid my becoming a Nazi, just that it is improbable.

but again according to whom?
We already have the vechicals in placed in our society that would allow us mass genocide, not only that we have the tools they didnt have. Again look at abortion, for all but well placed marketing campaign and a supreme court ruling bottom line we are a soceity who kills babies inurtro by pulling them apart with power vacuum tools, or we induce labor give partial birth, insert scissors into the base of the skull and suck out the brains.. (i can post youtube videos again if you like) Now the debate has turned to the elderly, and although it's not completely on the books Hospice is little more than assisted suicide. despite how you feel about hospices current role do you think it will remain content 'killing off' those with in it's current mission statement? What if soceity can justify lumping another group in with the 'dying?'

What I am point to is the fact that if we simply dress up the acts of the nazi's and use the right marketing, nothing the Nazis did would be out of bounds. All a soceity need do is go slow and errode our value systems slowly and over large amounts of time.
Instead of the jews, look at what we are doing with Muslims, or rather radical muslims.. (do you see how you perception changed?) for most people what you say radicalized the gloves come off. and everything is fair game, and it can be strongly argued rightfully so.. But bottom line we are sanctioning the wholesale slaughter of millions, which at it's core is what the Nazis did.. Remember they like us were 'under attack' by monsters and more so 10's of thousands of germans were starving to death because of a direct result of thier actions. or so they were told.

With out an absolute to guide you how do you know/how can you say the bottom line action of one country is justifiable and the bottom line actions of another are not?

 What prevents you from becoming beholden to a specific morality, or are you saying that you have no morals?  I think you do, and they include what you consider to be a moral response to your violating God's standards; that itself is a form of morals.

No, I'am saying morals do not define my actions nor do they make me a good or bad person.
I know I am a sinner, and I sin all the time (again has nothing to do with immorality) therefore in order to obtain righteousness I sought atonement. Per our romans study We know that being redeemed frees us from the law as a means to righteousness. meaning I am not a good person because of what I do. I will be judge good, because I taken the righteousness of Christ, and now His righteousness/Morality is what is being judged. So then why follow the law? Again we can completely. we live in line with the law not as a means to being 'moral' but as a result of being saved. it is a effect of salvation not a cause. so what happens if we 'back slide' we are and always will be 'back slid-en' as our best will never be good enough. So we simply repent and move on.

So what happens if the life we live resembles nothing of the life of Christ? It's a good indication that we are not saved. Again the direct result of salvation is what most of you would identify as a 'christian moral life.' But again it is not this life we live or code we live by that defines our righteousness.