(February 1, 2016 at 1:57 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: ....Surely the two things are so intermingled as to be not worth mentioning any difference, (in the OT/NT) can something be a sin but still moral? I think not, this would mean that distictions are irrelevant.
Before I spend another minute chasing you down this rabbit hole, you do know that for a Christian The precepts found in the NT are the law explained through the lens of atonement right? and that unless one is an OT Jew trying to follow the OT law to it's letter (including being born a OT Jew) that the rules do not apply under the Covenant of atonement?
I have no problem showing book chapter and verse, breaking the passage down into the hebrew and helping understand the syntax and composition of it all... that said unless you are a OT jew tring to live under that law, then know one can only be condemned by that standard. Why? Because the Law's only purpose is to show sin. It is not a standard to try and live by (morality.)
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I have gone to great lengths to show you how indeed something can be a sin and still be found moral. That is the WHOLE POINT OF DEVELOPING MORALITY!!!
God's Sin standard is SOOOO High, we can not live by it and be found righteous. So what do the self righteous do? (Meaning those who seek a righteousness apart from God/from with in themselves and each other)
They create a standard that allows for some sin/Minor sin and still allows them the oppertunity to 'feel' righteous, because they keep this amended law. This Acts based standard that is less than God's perfect standard is 'Morality.'
The Jews did it, Christians do it, Society does it and each time, each generation it gets further away from this standard.
Example: Robin Hood Steals from the rich and gives to the poor. By all social moral standards Stealing from corrupt rich people is perfectly ok, Especially when the proceeds go to those dying of starvation.
However By God's perfect standard it is always a sin to steal period. Therefore Robin no matter how well intentioned is in sin.
Which is the ONLY purpose of the Law. To show we are all in sin, and need redemption. The law was never purposed for us to live by it. only to show need.