pop morality

[Drich]

[quote='Drich' pid='1192640' dateline='1454425248']
When I say the law allows for rape, I am saying that there is no commandment, "Thou shalt not rape."  Period.  Does not exist.  Rape is only punishable if it is accompanied with some form of adultery, which is to say that rape and consensual sex were indistinguishable to the lawmakers.

What are you talking about? their is only one pretext in which sex is permitted.
That's in a sanctified marriage. "That there shall be no harlot (in Israel); that is, that there shall be no intercourse with a woman, without previous marriage with a deed of marriage and formal declaration of marriage (Deut. 23:18) "

Again "thou shall not rape" is not needed when "thou shal not have sex unless your married has been established."

In Deuteronomy 22, which you wanted me to read for some reason (most Christians try to pretend this chapter doesn't exist), if you look at verses 28-29, there is no real punishment for rape. None. 

what are you talking about? Their is, one had to marry and care for this woman for the rest of his life. No divorce. and their was a fine of 1 years gross wages of silver for skilled labor. pretty hefty fine... So what happens when he could pay? Dude became the Family's slave. How do you think the son in law was treated? do you think that maybe the rules for beating a slave was pushed in those first few weeks?

So from your ignorant position theirs no punishment, but from a very simply understanding you've got a forced marriage, Hefty fine which would result in slavery for up to 1 to 3 years depending on how the raper was skilled.
which means potentially years of beatings.

Where do you get the idea that their wasn't any punishment? Because their isn't a thou shalt not? God knows by turning this guy over to the family and let the natural order of event play out both the family and the raper will have the account settled.

Beside I'm sure far more raped women in OT times got a far stronger sense of justice than some sterile prison sentence.

 The "punishment" is not because of the rape aspect but because the man took the virginity of the father's daughter, so he has to pay THE FATHER.

Dumbest most short sighted thing I've ever read.

 Nothing is done for the woman except that she is "allowed" to marry her rapist (???) or perhaps choose not to, and if she chooses to (???) then he cannot divorce her.  But she basically has to marry the piece of shit because otherwise her father will lose the 50 shekels of silver and also any future dowry because she's "shamed" (???), which may or may not mean she'll get kicked out of her home, and on top of that the virgin-obsessed Jews would not want to marry her, and in that patriarchal society she'd be worthless without a man.  That is the system your God came up with.  So please, let me know, what do you think will happen when the rapist marries her?  Society is ENCOURAGING his behavior by putting him under the same roof with his victim.  He's gonna rape her at his whim for the rest of her life.  This is what God ordained... which means Jesus ordained this, because of the trinity.

I stand corrected. This is the dumbest thing... Maybe you honestly did not know then it would be not the dumbest but the most ignorant short sighted thing... Either way think before you speak or at least ask a question.
I gave you book chapter and verse, and right there on page it says 50 shekels of silver.. How much is a shekel? should have been your first question. A shekel was a measure of weight, later coins were minted in 3/10 of an oz of silver. depending on skill level one shekel equaled between 4 days and 10 days labor.. On average about a weeks worth of Hard work (6 days) it all depended on how the one paying sized up the job, and skil level of the worker. Now adays that 1 shekel is about 1000 dollars/ a week's worth of work. x50= 50K How does a 50K dollar fine stack up against the restitution made today? If today one was absolutely made to pay this or sold into slavery to pay this debt do you think rape would be as big as a problem it is now? then couple on the woman's expenses for the rest of her life.

As far as pedophilia goes, there is no mention for the age of consent.  You sent me on the wild goose chase in Deuteronomy 22, saying that this is where the age of consent is given (because I had previously mentioned that pedophilia is not a sin).  I can't tell you where pedophilia is NOT mentioned...

Not by name that is a modern term. Again like marriage their was no need for a direct command because the existing law protected them.

One could not marry a child. She could be betrothed but not married, and again one could not have sex unless they were married deu 23:18

Again no need for a thou shalt not if one does not meet the parameters for sanctified sex.

As for fornication, as long as it is between two people who are not married, and as long as the woman never marries afterward, I do not find that it is forbidden by the law.  But please, by all means, put that claim to the fire to see if it's valid.   I don't want to keep making false accusations against the Bible because there are already so many damn things wrong with it that there's no need for false accusations.

So as far as I see it, your God allows for the raping of babies... as long as, of course, it's heterosexual.  The SPECIFIC laws do not even mention pedophilia... ever... not even once.

again, Silence is not permission. Their is silence because the laws stopped the sex before it even got to specific perversions.