pop morality

[Reforged]

It is about obedience, yes. I don't think one can classify it as mindless obedience because just look how much time and effort it has taken to get you to understand this 'simple' principle.

Right and wrong to play a role, but the 'test' is not about right or wrong, the test is to be obediant, once we are we will be given the Holy Spirit to help us live 'right.' Not the trivial 'right' of the culture but truly set apart/holy.

If you honestly think I didn't "understand" it before then you are not listening. To anyone. Or perhaps resorting to condescension in desperation.
You do not know what Gods instruction is. You have your best guess. You conceded this. Your "obedience" is to your own interpretation which you have gone so far as to say doesn't matter whether its correct or not. By your own rules you can do no wrong. Either in terms of facts or morality. This is important because the point made was that Gods morality being perfect should be obvious to everyone that it is the path to follow. The interpretation you offer is that not only is it not obvious its unknowable and we will get into heaven by doing what we think is the right thing... which sounds like the flawed human moral compass has more influence and more clarity than the God moral compass.

No, this is not about us righting a wrong. Atonement and Redemption is about what Christ did on the cross to right a wrong. We are give these tools so we may not boast about our deeds to 'right a wrong.'

Again, I thought you couldn't make judgement on Gods morality. Yet this sounds like what you're doing when you announce to everyone that Christ dying on the cross was redemption for mankind. That statement not only requires a moral compass to have any weight but a moral compass that has an understanding of Gods moral compass. Otherwise you're just parroting words from the Bible without any understanding of what they mean. Do you have an understanding of Gods moral compass?
If so would you care to share it?

That is the problem with people like you. you need a 1:1 correlative ratio to compare societal evil. Because we do not employ the same exact tactics and tools the Nazi's use or 19th slave owners use Things like human brutality does not exist! If you were to take the act of sucking the brain out of a viable baby and looked at nothing else, and were ask to judge the act, how would you judge it? Is this a moral act? Now ask yourself If a random person was scooping up 3rd trimester women and performing this act on unwilling mothers, how would you judge that man? Now, change the mother's mind and now this VERY SAME ACT becomes moral?!?!?

The act does not change. The fully developed baby still feels the pain, fear, and terror no matter what the mother decides, yet to you to society this is a moral act.

Explain to me how this is any different than the gas chambers of Nazi Germany. You can't cite numbers because since 1972 we have killed more babies than Germany killed jews.

ALL USING THE SAME BASIC FORMAT! We put our evil brutality out as a basic human right, and as a result a dehumanized portion of the population is turned into fodder for our medical incinerators.

Oh you mean people who need a comparison to be comparable? Yeah, total bastards. So unreasonable.
There is a world of difference between a woman who makes a choice with her body and a woman who does not. There is as much a difference between a fetus whos brain has barely developed and a baby. The only reason you can't see it is because you have this moronic delusion that every cluster of cells that might become a human has an immortal soul. There are no fully developed babies being legally murdered in the U.S or the U.K. The refugee camps you are talking about are in countries outside of our control, outside our societies and so should be outside of this conversation.
If you want to make another thread on abortion then do so but I will retain focus inside this thread on the subject we started with. That subject is the "superior" morality of Yahweh and why in all its perfection, from your perspective, it eludes the vast majority.

So do you enjoy this totally independent freedom where you live? or are their rules that govern what you can and can not do with your freedoms? or do you live on a longer leash?

That said God makes no bones about our new role or our old one. we are either slaves to Sin or we are slaves to God. Jesus said if we belong to Him His burden is easy and our load will be light. Meaning in this case we are free from the law.

While it is true we all suffer bonds of one form or another. I am more bound by my principles than I am by the law. The law can be evaded, my principles can't. That leash extends as much as I do.

But that's the thing... how can you say one sin is greater or less than the other? Just because one sin effects you less from a physical perspective does it indeed make less of a sin? From an eternal perspective death is nothing. Death no matter how we die is ultimately our birth into eternity, Death or how we die does not effect the soul. Yet something as trivial as lies and gossip can poison a soul and embitter a person resulting in their eternal separation from God.

Now from an eternal perspective which one of the sinners you described has a greater chance of destroying someone forever/Which one has the greatest chance of committing the bigger wrong against someone else. The one who ended a life, or the one who poisoned a soul and destroyed that soul's place with God?

Your sense of right and wrong is all backwards. You worry and center everything around here and now. Not giving thought to what is still to come.

Then it sounds like God is as much a craftsman as he is an orator. Crafting a soul with full knowledge of what will happen to it and making it so fragile seems either grossly incompetent or breathtakingly cruel. Like placing a slug on a floor littered with broken glass and salt.
You know nothing of my sense of right and wrong. You have asked me no questions on the matter.

You are the 1 talent guy because where God actually gave you one talent or 10 you've burried what he has given you. (You are not using what he has given for his glory.) The story is not about how much the servants were given but what they did with what they were given. Stop looking to be offended, and maybe you will stop seeing offence in what I am trying to share with you.

I'm not looking to be offended. I'm pointing out presumptions and unbacked judgement. If I am made as I am, on the path I am then who are you to suggest what I am doesn't fully fall inline with Gods moral compass?

third trimester is not the planning stage of car construction, The build is complete and the car is waiting to be delivered.

If someone delivered a car to me with a frame and three quarters of the engine missing I would ask for my money back. Thats what the third trimester is. The beginning of the process to conscious life. Not the middle, not the end. If left alittle longer then yes, it could be argued to be a viable human being but at that point it is no- why am I still debating this? Its unrelated. This is not the subject.

So what a million? 10 million?? 100 Million? a billion In the WHole bible that spans 4 or 5000 years??
how about 1.4 billion since 1980. In just 36 years we have more than likely doubled/quadrupled  All of the infant deaths that anyone could ever attribute to God, and yet Idiots claim god is a monster because he kills babies...
This is what Jesus meant by take the friggen plank out of your eye before you worry about the speck in the eye of your neighbor.
http://www.numberofabortions.com/
You keep calling me shameless... what's actually shameful is you appealing to my modesty when you do not want to look at immoral truths of pop culture/morality that would force you to reconsile the propaganda you have adopted that affords you the level of self righteousness you lord over everyone and every thing that challenges your 'moral security.'

That sport is shame full or rather you should be ashamed of hiding from the truth just because it challenges your 'moral foundation.'

A 'moral foundation' that you yourself can not live up to. a 'moral foundation' that you will be judged by, and be found wanting.

Yeah, I guess I'd be trying to shut down the conversation too if someone hit a never that close to home. I'd call everything they believe into question and I would try and shame them off topic as well.

Nice try, but no. the facts remain, and if you don't like talking about them then i suggest that you find someone else to try and defend you morality to them. Maybe they will let you manipulate the topic so you are not faced with a hard reality to answer for.

Seriously? Thats your estimate from that description? Countless. Literally countless. Is abortion literally the only thing you're capable of discussing? Like, I get what you're doing. "Oh yeah, you think Gods bad? Check out how bad your society is! " Putting aside the abortion example is invalid for the U.K. and the U.S, our societies, how do you think thats a good arguement? "Oh well, we can't really know Gods morality... and from what we do know its horrible... but quick! Look at this! This is also horrible!"
Seriously? Is that seriously the best counter you have?

What are you talking about? We are judged against the Law that was given to moses.
Then Christ in Mat 5 extended the law to include thought. So the whole Law.
Plus sinful thoughts that break that law.

Not what you typed. You typed about that which transcends rules. If this is the perfect moral compass then why all the different interpretations? Aside from the ten commandments (three of them are basically the same thing) there are all types of commandments moses handed down which you would happily ignore.
Sinful thoughts? Like what?

If you don't want me to use the roflol emoji then why say stupid stuff like this? Do you still not understand it's not about 'morality?' It seemed like you were getting it in the beginning, and then you went back and defaulted to arguing against a catholic priest.

Again, God has given us the freedom to 'create morality' based on what we understand/can fathom his wants to be.

Do you understand that sentence? Their is no limit once you become Christian. If you need to be catholic and that is what you understand of God, and can ever understand of God, then you must follow the catholic set of rules. However if you don't need to live that way, and can serve God with all you 'talents' another way then to you being catholic is the same as burying your talents and will be punished for their misuse.

Can you fathom what this means? It means God does not demand we all be made to understand everything He has decreed. He just wants you to do your best with what you have. In that sense God does not need to communicate this to everyone. The only thing that people need to understand is to be devoute to their understanding of the Jesus Christ centered religion of choice. To which All do understand. So God's communication skills from the 1st to the 21st century 100% (because again we all understand that our religions are the only way to heaven no matter how different they are)

Actually the roflol emoji was more helpful advice. It does not help you.
Then God is not a moral authority, he has no morality. All he requires is that we live as we will based on moral codes we would likely form anyway and worship him. The most successful followers spread their interpretation and that becomes gospel among the religious. Through guile, through cunning, through force or through sheer numbers. Its all good. The right interpretation can justify anything. Ultimately might makes right. God is power, it is all he is.