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'choosing' thoughts.
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RE: 'choosing' thoughts.
What do you mean by choose?

Our thoughts and actions are controlled by the physical laws of the universe right? Whether they are more random (indeterministic) or totally predetermined (deterministic) - where does the CHOICE come in?

If something is random how does that give us the choice to choose (indeterministic)...it just gives us the possibility perhaps....I just don't see where the choice comes in or know of any evidence for this 'free will' whatsoever.

Obviously with determinism, with everything being predetermined there is no choice whatsoever...only evitability/more freedom of possible things to do....

So although determinism makes 'free will' impossible....how on earth does indeterminism imply it? Physics being more random...how does randomness or unpredictability give us choice?

Dice, roulette wheels and random number generators...whether they are predetermined or are indeterministic...there's not really much choice there is there?

So where does the choice come in? How do you mean by choice? Where is the evidence for 'free will?' Determinism makes 'free will' impossible but how on earth does INdeterminism even remotely imply it; rather than just simply making the possibility perhaps... open?

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Messages In This Thread
'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 4, 2009 at 5:45 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Kyuuketsuki - March 4, 2009 at 6:11 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 4, 2009 at 6:19 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Tiberius - March 4, 2009 at 6:27 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 4, 2009 at 6:34 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Giff - March 5, 2009 at 8:21 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 5, 2009 at 8:33 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 10, 2009 at 10:20 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Kyuuketsuki - March 11, 2009 at 5:13 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 10, 2009 at 10:34 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 10, 2009 at 11:11 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 11, 2009 at 11:43 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Giff - March 12, 2009 at 9:27 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 12, 2009 at 10:44 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Giff - March 13, 2009 at 9:24 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 13, 2009 at 9:25 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Giff - March 15, 2009 at 8:40 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 15, 2009 at 7:36 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 13, 2009 at 9:31 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 13, 2009 at 5:24 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 13, 2009 at 11:06 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Tiberius - March 14, 2009 at 10:23 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 14, 2009 at 10:32 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 13, 2009 at 11:11 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 13, 2009 at 11:22 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 13, 2009 at 11:51 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 13, 2009 at 11:54 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 14, 2009 at 12:03 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 14, 2009 at 12:12 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 14, 2009 at 12:19 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 14, 2009 at 12:22 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 14, 2009 at 12:28 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 14, 2009 at 12:46 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 14, 2009 at 10:06 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 15, 2009 at 6:18 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Tiberius - March 15, 2009 at 2:53 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 15, 2009 at 8:50 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 16, 2009 at 2:01 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Tiberius - March 16, 2009 at 4:47 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 16, 2009 at 8:35 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Giff - March 16, 2009 at 8:57 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by padraic - March 17, 2009 at 5:22 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 16, 2009 at 7:00 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 16, 2009 at 7:11 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Giff - March 17, 2009 at 8:07 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by athoughtfulman - March 17, 2009 at 8:57 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Giff - March 17, 2009 at 11:09 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Kyuuketsuki - March 17, 2009 at 11:20 am
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 17, 2009 at 1:23 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 17, 2009 at 6:36 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by leo-rcc - March 17, 2009 at 6:57 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 17, 2009 at 7:05 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by leo-rcc - March 17, 2009 at 7:08 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 17, 2009 at 7:21 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by leo-rcc - March 17, 2009 at 7:30 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 17, 2009 at 7:39 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by leo-rcc - March 17, 2009 at 7:47 pm
RE: 'choosing' thoughts. - by Edwardo Piet - March 17, 2009 at 8:41 pm

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