RE: The Problem with Christians
March 8, 2016 at 7:47 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2016 at 8:15 pm by AJW333.)
(March 7, 2016 at 9:02 pm)abaris Wrote:If God used his omnipotence to thwart all acts of evil, then freewill ceases to exist. That won't happen because God has guaranteed free will.(March 7, 2016 at 8:56 pm)AJW333 Wrote: God could have made humanity with no free will. He could have created a bunch of automatons who never ever choose to do anything wrong. I would ask, what would be the point of that when you are a relational being?
Now if freewill is in play, God cannot continually thwart the bad people from doing their evil deeds otherwise freewill ceases to exist. I have reconciled the fact that this is the way things are. For many it seems terribly unfair. I understand that.
God, according to your definition is omniscient and omnipotent. So the above is shit. This is what it's actually is. As it always is when things get uncomfortable.
By the way, in case you missed it, what's your proof for the supernatural existing?
Concerning proof of supernatural, I doubt there is anything I could write that you would believe. I'd be wasting my time trying.
(March 7, 2016 at 9:05 pm)Kitan Wrote:(March 7, 2016 at 8:56 pm)AJW333 Wrote: God could have made humanity with no free will. He could have created a bunch of automatons who never ever choose to do anything wrong. I would ask, what would be the point of that when you are a relational being?
Now if freewill is in play, God cannot continually thwart the bad people from doing their evil deeds otherwise freewill ceases to exist. I have reconciled the fact that this is the way things are. For many it seems terribly unfair. I understand that.
Could have
If god is so great, doesn't he want his creations to be the best?
If god is as powerful as he is, he can absolutely thwart evil. In fact, that would be the precise act of any god. I suppose we create super heroes to thwart the evil that the creation of god could not accomplish.
I want my children to be the best they can be but do I micromanage their lives for them? That would be a nightmare! Especially since they are adults with their own children.
When the end of the world comes, God will put a stop to all evil, until then, we will see more and more of it, just as the Bible predicted.
(March 7, 2016 at 10:13 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:In my brief time at this forum, I have been asked over and over again to prove the supernatural, and been derided for not providing an "acceptable" proof. When I ask for proof of abiogenesis, I see a completely different standard being applied. You accept abiogenesis on the basis that it is "most plausible," with no proof whatsoever. How is that a more credible position than me accepting the supernatural as "most plausible" on the basis of both personal experience and the worldwide, centuries old existence of countless testimonies? At least there are hundreds of thousands of people claiming to have witnessed the supernatural and yet not one who has witnessed abiogenesis.(March 7, 2016 at 8:41 pm)AJW333 Wrote: Not at all. In the beginning God created life from the dust and then imbued all life with the capacity to reproduce after its own kind. This became the rule, or the law of how life was continued from that point on. There really is no conflict.
Tell me, if you believe in abiogenesis without there being any scientific proof of it, how is that not faith?
Perhaps someone should contact the accreditation folks and tell them that a university let one of theirs got away with a degree in science and a failure to understand the difference between tentatively accepting something as "most plausible" and a faith-decree. If you truly can't understand what "I believe this only to the degree it has been proven" means, then you're not a scientist, no matter what your degree says.
(March 7, 2016 at 10:25 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: This liar does not have a science degree unless he found one in a cereal box.
Put up or shut up. $10,0000 says I do.
(March 7, 2016 at 10:27 pm)abaris Wrote:(March 7, 2016 at 10:25 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: This liar does not have a science degree unless he found one in a cereal box.
My money is on christian college. About as helpful as used toiled paper in the real world.
UNSW. Inside the top 50 in the world. Check it out.