RE: The Problem with Christians
March 9, 2016 at 6:29 am
(This post was last modified: March 9, 2016 at 7:19 am by AJW333.)
(March 8, 2016 at 8:43 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:The universe is a bunch of planets, stars, suns moons etc. How are these responsible for influencing the decisions of man?(March 8, 2016 at 8:34 pm)AJW333 Wrote: In my understanding, free will without the possibility of carrying out the will is no free will at all.
Then, you can't plausibly say we have free will since there are countless ways in which one will find that the universe prohibits the expression of free will.
(March 8, 2016 at 8:43 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: God could have made rape as impossible as breathing ocean water.But he didn't. He wants man to exercise his free will and to choose not to rape.
(March 8, 2016 at 8:43 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: The only other explanation is that God was not capable of achieving this, and that there are rules greater than God (which necessarily negates the concept of God as Christians imagine him).I have the power to crush the spider in my kitchen. Just because I choose to pick it up and take it outside, that in no way diminishes my capacity or change who I am.
(March 8, 2016 at 8:32 pm)abaris Wrote:(March 8, 2016 at 8:30 pm)AJW333 Wrote: What is the point of prayer? That's like asking, "what's the point of conversation? Why bother talking to people?
People actually talk back, you know. Hearing voices in your head doesn't exactly qualify as conversation.
Conversing is simply an interchange of thoughts. Don't they say that the majority of communication is non-verbal?
(March 8, 2016 at 8:47 pm)Stimbo Wrote:(March 8, 2016 at 8:34 pm)AJW333 Wrote: Check my post just previous to this one. By its very nature, the supernatural defies scientific explanation. It's like saying, "I demand you use this system to prove something that operates outside this system." How do we do that?
By examining and eliminating every other possibility first. As you have a science degree, you already know that. But that isn't even what I wrote. You're the one claiming to have evidence. Present it for examination, or face the sharp end of Hitchens' Razor.
At the risk of endlessly repeating myself , my wife and sister in law had the same dream about the same person, in the same location, at the same time having a heart attack which happened a week later. The chance of this being due to random chance is astronomically low. I've no idea what value you could put on it but a billion to one against this being random seems reasonable to me.
Given that what happened here was a precise description of a future event, I would say that it qualifies as supernatural. The fact that you don't, is up to you.
(March 8, 2016 at 8:55 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:You are obfuscating. I'll answer your question when you answer mine.(March 8, 2016 at 8:49 pm)AJW333 Wrote: So how did DNA first form?
If you want a scientific answer to this, then you should first provide a scientific explanation to how your god formed.
(March 8, 2016 at 9:07 pm)abaris Wrote:The scripture regularly predicts events that come true. As I look at the world today, it is exactly as the Bible predicted. I think the scripture has credibility because it reliably tells us the future. No other religion even comes close when it comes to accurate prophecy.(March 8, 2016 at 8:34 pm)AJW333 Wrote: If the supernatural operates outside the laws of science, how can I prove it with science?
It doesn't operate at all, outside of hearsay and legend. And I asked you another question, which you never answered. Even if I gave you the possibility of the supernatural existing, why is the cause supposed to be your particular brand of god and not some other as of yet unexplained phenomena?