(March 10, 2016 at 7:17 am)pocaracas Wrote:Evolution is a guided system. It is guided by the will of life to continue. To say it is random or not at least both a cause and an effect is being closed minded due to bias for whatever reason, and has absolutely no evidence to back it.(March 10, 2016 at 6:24 am)MysticKnight Wrote: The final question is where does God come in all this?
I think there is a world of difference in believing a living spiritual reality to goodness and morality, and that we are connected to something absolute and great, even though we don't fully grasp it, but to most of it, it's a very distant star, then believing our morality is just a program that we experience to biological reasons and evolution.
There may be something to a common shared morality... but it need not be handed down by a god...
The god bit is your own indoctrination talking... not your abstract thinking self.
(March 10, 2016 at 6:24 am)MysticKnight Wrote: With it being a program from evolution, the question, of the euthyphro dilemma should be asked, is it good to do because evolution made it out to be that or did evolution make it out to be because it is good? If the latter, then good exists before evolution, and if evolution decides what is moral, then to me, this seems baseless for many reasons. Why should we pay attention to commands or instructions in us from evolution?
It seems to me you're looking at it from the point of view of the individual...
Evolution operates on populations.
It's good, because the population has learned what harms its health and labelled that as bad.... and what actively avoids such bad things is labelled good.
It's important to remind ourselves, once in a while, that words are labels for concepts.... and sometimes the concepts are not what they seem. Nowadays, many concepts have evolved to become strange things, heavily imbued by the religious thoughts of the past.
Think about what it means to be "a healthy population" and you'll find the concept of good and bad and, if you so wish, an absolute kind of moral code that each individual within that population should adhere to.
You may also find that there are several ways to achieve a healthy population and, as such, several "absolute moral codes"... and that is what is commonly called non-absolute morality, right?
And that is how evolution works.... finding ways to make things work, not necessarily always finding the same ways... nor at the same time...
Faith in selfless Unity for Good.