The Problem with Christians

[athrock]

@athrock, LOL...the irony.....it's clearly been lost.  Do you believe in god on something other than faith?  Lets see that something?  Do you believe in god because other people, perhaps smarter than yourself, believe?  The arguments you've presented thusfar, even if we swallow them wholecloth (which would be silly to begin with), don't take us to the god conclusion, let alone The All Powerful Cathol.  Do you believe in god because of those arguments?

I would not expect anyone to "swallow them wholecloth"; I would expect people to consider them carefully.

Do you believe the arguments themselves to be flawed? If so, please demonstrate.

Otherwise, you must conclude that the arguments are reasonable and thus that faith in God is REASONABLE. And please note that the arguments do not PROVE the existence of God, but they do illustrate that faith is NOT unreasonable for the thinking person.

For some believers, faith is based on their own experience of God with little underlying foundation as to WHY or HOW it can be demonstrated that God exists. And while that's okay, clearly a "faith alone" position is not as strong as a "faith + reason" perspective. I venture that quite a few atheists in this forum might have remained believers or at least been more open to the idea of believing if they had been given better answers to their "why" and "how" questions when they were younger or facing crisis moments.

That's why apologetics AND catechetics are both necessary.