RE: Mind is the brain?
April 1, 2016 at 3:39 pm
(This post was last modified: April 1, 2016 at 3:52 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 1, 2016 at 2:17 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I still haven't seen a simple thesis statement for your theory, so I cannot really say whether I agree with it.
My idea at least with regard to a physical world view is that mind is intrinsic to matter, i.e. it's matter-mind, and that just as with physical objects, when elements are brought together in complex ways, neat stuff gets built. Saying that anything causes mind, or is mind, doesn't really mean that much. What is significant in people isn't the existence of mind, but the way it manifests: our perceptions of forms, colors, etc.
Yes you have, many times. CTM...is a theory that mind is a comp system. Could it be any simpler? If it were, you'd probably complain that it was too simple......... You've had a comp system defined, explained, demonstrated, you even use one to have this conversation. You've seen not only how CTM explains x or y, but ways it has failed to explain a or b, in all of our conversations...you;ve had a pretty thorough description of what ctm is, and what it isn't. Now I'm not asking you to say "Damn Rhythm, mind is comp, they were totally right"...I just want this bullshit "I've never seen this, never heard that, x can't be defined, y cannot account for" routine to stop. It's insulting, lol.
"Complex ways" is insufficient. Many things are ludicrously complex, and yet they do not present themselves as candidates for mind. A particular type of complexity is required for computational systems, for example....and a particular type of complexity is required for a 747. You don't expect any equally complex sewing machine to begin boarding passengers and making trans-atlantic flights, I assume. Similarly, I don't expect things to present themselves as candidates for mind due to their complexity alone, and conveniently, they don't. Matter-mind is a fun word, but it excuses itself from offering any explanation of the phenomena, and is simply nowhere to be found in evidence.
I don't personally state that anything causes mind, I think that brain is mind, remember...but whats the point of this comment anyway?
Do you think that these manifestations, as you've put it, would present themselves in a mind that didn't exist? Clearly it's existence is significant. But hey..if all that you find significant is perception of form and color..you don't even need a theory of mind for that. You could simply take a look at how a camera works. I doubt that will satisfy, but you're not asking a very difficult question if it's perception, rather than mind, that sets you to wondering.
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