The Problem with Christians

[pocaracas]

Then, you have no good reason for believing ANY of it.  That's just another way of saying, "made up," my friend.

Why does everything have to scientifically provable? Let's face it, abiogenesis has never been proven. It has never been observed, never reproduced and not even understood theoretically, yet you believe it. The reason you believe it is because it makes sense to you - just as a creator makes sense to me. Let's be honest, "faith" is a significant part of the abiogenesis/evolution worldview.

In terms of this "faith" that you have, your God would be science. But there is much that your God can't explain, so why is that OK to you but my God has to be proven with absolute certainty? You appear to take the position that my God must bow to yours, but it is really the other way round. Science is simply the study of how God put things together.

The way I see it, abiogenesis isn't about faith, but about looking at all information science has gathered from star formation, to planet formation, to physics, to chemistry, to biology.

At some point in the past, our sun was a just a bunch of hydrogen gas and some remnants from a 1st or 2nd gen star. It coalesced, through gravity, and eventually ignited becoming the scorching yellow ball we know. Some leftover material from that initial cloud also coalesced and formed the planets, with the heavier materials, as you'd expect, nearer to the center, where gravity is stronger.
The coalescence of these materials was probably not a peaceful one, with some banging around, which would give our planet it's internal geology - a hot core, a cool outer shell.
Water methane and who knows what other chemicals then abounded on the surface. Eventually, some bonded, because that's how chemistry works... and... biology began.
Biology is chemistry, chemistry is physics, particularly quantum mechanics. And QM has been shown to be right, time and time again... down to it's more general form: QCD, with the relatively recent discovery of the Higgs boson.

There is this whole framework on which science is based that can account for abiogenesis... even if the exact mechanism hasn't been found... it can account for it.
Then, there's the theist position, where an extra entity must be present to provide some extra spark into the natural chemistry so as to turn it into biology.

Why should we postulate such an entity?
It's not required.

It opens up a can of worms. One that not even believers are ready to delve through. Thus they wave it away with "out of space and time"... as if that means anything. But it just shows how limited and bound our language is - out of space? Not in space? Then what does it mean to exist?
Going down this path, Darth Vader comes into existence, too. And the Force, and Harry Potter and magic and Warp drive and Krypton, and Superman and Ironman and...... then you come back to reality and realize that the entity is just as created as all these fictional characters.
I'm not saying they're impossible to exist.... but our present awareness of their existence is based on our own imagination.

Being aware of this "origin story", one realizes that the most intellectually honest opinion to have on the subject of life arising on this planet is abiogenesis - no extra entity is required.