RE: Mind is the brain?
April 14, 2016 at 3:54 pm
(This post was last modified: April 14, 2016 at 4:31 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 14, 2016 at 9:38 am)bennyboy Wrote: You're claiming a fallacy fallacy? What color pot are you, then?............................?
Quote:I'm arguing against your composition fallacy, and have always been. You need to identify, physically speaking, exactly what constitutes a computer, and why you think it can experience anything subjectively. So far you have: computers store data 'n' stuff, therefore. . . mind! This really isn't much of a step up from theism, IMO. Your system needs some actual physical details, or it's as woo a philosophy as any other woo philosophy.No, you aren't, and I have absolutely no confidence in your ability to identify fallacies at this point. I have already defined the term for you, and I have explained their operation. If you don't know what a computer is by now I can't help you.
So far I haven't gotten past the point of arguing computers into existence (ffs)...so there is no "therefore" for you to complain about. If you want a therefore, we're going to have to agree that we're talking about something to begin with. There's no point in me attempting to explain to you what a comp system can do, and how, so long as you maintain the notion that there is no such thing, is there? If you'd like to discuss how a comp system would achieve some "x", lets first confirm that we both understand what we're referring to with the term....which I've conveniently defined for you, and that they do..in fact....exist. Shall we?
Quote:You have explained neither. All you've done is begged the question and proclaimed an ontology.It's not -my- why or how to explain, it's yours. You can have the conversation of what supervenes, and upon what, with someone who requires it. I think that mind -is- brain, remember, not that mind supervenes upon brain.
Quote:No. Some things are our constructions, and some things aren't.Sigh, no shit, and we named them all....
Quote:You can choose whatever word you want to represent mind, but you don't get to define mind other than as it is-- at least not if you want to talk about anything important.I defined computers.............both those of our construction, and those that aren't (I even gave a t complete definition, so it would be more specific for our conversation). I don't have an interest in defining mind. I'd rather explain the "x" that has been defined -as- mind, so whats the relevance of this comment?
Quote:Okay, you have an idea. Great. Say what it is, and I will be suitably enlightened, and we can move on to other discussions.When I'm finished explaining how we unify the functions of a comp system...like your pc...can I get some assurance that this objection won't crop up again in a few pages, as all the rest have? In a modern pc, bussing. The shared copper trace lines on the PCB of a modern PC unifies the operation of the system's components. Not exactly mysterious, surprisingly simple to accomplish.
*beings holding breath*
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