Free Will - Yes/No?

[Excited Penguin]

How does randomness exclude determinism, exactly? What does it matter that you can't predict the effect, there's still going to be an effect and you're going to be bound by it.

Determinism is predictable, random is unpredictable, free will is unpredictable.  Whether it is determinate, random or free will, one is still bound by the outcome.

I need a six.  I roll the dice and get a six.  Was that predictable?  Did I make the dice come up six?  Whether it was determinate or random, I still won.

Free will is not provable by the result.  Only the cause can prove it one way or the other.

You never even approached the subject.

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Still didn't answer my question, strangely enough.